Huddersfield Town (H)

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Zog1 said:

Our 3-4-3 is just a renaming of our 5-3-2, all that he's done is move 1 of the middle 3 forward a bit and the 2 on the wings are wing backs, rather than normal wingers.

Fucking loving this aren't you Leadfrog?

Absolute nob head.

[Zog1]

Just now, gonzo said:

Fucking loving this aren't you Leadfrog?

Absolute nob head.

Someone asked and i explained it.

Calm down blueberry muffin

[Zog1]

4 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'll agree to disagree on that.  Baxter of course championship standard.  Matete is our best outfield player IMO but he's not our's, this year's Maghoma.  Collins could probably make a go of it, the other strikers not a chance.  Wingbacks nearer to L2 than Championship.  CBs could probably have a chance (just not as a unit).  If the "bulk of them" were a team in the championship, it would be embarrassing IMO, and then IE makes them worse with the bizarre tactics.

I think with a different manager and a few real quality additions we'd have done fine as a lower end Championship level team.

[Whitesince63]

I think on the quality or not of our players it speaks volumes that other than the bid for George not one other player has been chased by anybody and even the reported interest in Victor has now passed with the Turkish window closed. I take reports of million pound bids rejected with a huge pinch of salt because I can’t believe the club would reject that kind of offer. I’m sure a number of our players are better than they look currently but my problem is that Evatt hasn’t improved one player that I can think of whilst he’s been here with every signing seeming to go backwards or stall like Toal and Morley for example. I think the squads ok but not under this manager I’m afraid and I think today reinforced that.

[Greg_BWFC]

6 minutes ago, Zog1 said:

Our 3-4-3 is just a renaming of our 5-3-2, all that he's done is move 1 of the middle 3 forward a bit and the 2 on the wings are wing backs, rather than normal wingers.

Think this is replying to my question,yes?

In which case, ta but I'm not sure it answers it.

What are Cogley and Schon's actual positions ?

Full backs, wing backs, wingers ?

It all looked so disjointed.

Square pegs, round holes.

Last season playing 5-3-2/3-5-2, we at least seemed to create overlaps down the wings (ok, the crossing may have been inconsistent), but today we looked way too narrow.

And I think it hurt us attacking and defending, Huddersfield got down our flanks pretty easily I thought.

Granted, we won't play teams like that every week, think they'll comfortably be top 6.

[RoadRunnerFan]

34 minutes ago, royal white said:

And in last years time period the players we have did better than sadlier and Morley. What should we do just keep everyone on the books? You’re comparing 3 games to over 30 games. Talk about fkin simple 

 

34 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Fuck me, you're a moron.

So we got ourselves a Royale with Cheese.

Couple of gigs for Zog going in Ukraine & Palestine.

[Cheese]

I completely agree with everything Henry Hewitt says after 14:40.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24585482.bolton-wanderers-0-4-huddersfield-town---last-word/

[tshape]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I completely agree with everything Henry Hewitt says after 14:40.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24585482.bolton-wanderers-0-4-huddersfield-town---last-word/

Yeah you can't argue with any of that on the formation etc

Edited September 14 by tshape

[athywhite1958]

Just watched Vila V Everton on MOTD, Villa went 2-0 down, they rolled their sleeves up, battled and played for their club, showed tremendous fighting qualities and finished up winning 3-2, we went 2-0 down and capitulated, something wrong somewhere within the club

[W.cramp]

1 hour ago, Hoppy said:

Dean Holden is assistant to Ste Gerrard but could be a good shout was well liked at Charlton 

Not with the wages he is creaming. 

[HR]

I don't understand formations and subtleties of play tbh.  What does stand out to me is the lack of energy and pace throughout the team. We play each game like it's a pre season friendly, a half arsed attempt at playing.  Can only think it's a lack of belief in the system or maybe they believe the hype.  Evatt blaming the fans is incredible, he's had such an easy ride considering, including today.  It's such a shame as crowd numbers have been brilliant, he's got some complex.  Repeatedly having to reinforce  confidence in his own ability screams the opposite.

[Mantra]

😔

[Take Hunt Off]

The idea that a target man type player is off the menu in a possession based team is total bollocks , Man City have the biggest one of the lot .

I’m an Evatt loyalist but the time has come  to draw a line & move on .

Pity it’s such a shitty end. 

[bwfc4ife]

For me and like many others have said, we simply don’t have any identity at the moment and don’t have a way of playing. It’s clear he’s gone as far as he can, doesn’t know how to solve the problem and it just looks desperate now. 

What type of team are we? We’re wide open at the back, we don’t move the ball quickly, we don’t get the ball wide and get crosses in, we don’t press, we’re not physically imposing, we’re woeful from set pieces and we’re not direct. 

We’re excellent at having 60%+ possession across the back three though. 

The thing that concerns me is that as soon as that goal goes in, you know it’s game over.

Today, we competed for the first 10-15 minutes but only in a sense of getting some last ditch tackles and blocks in. We barely got out of our own half and had only one shot until about 60 mins in.

At half time, it was clear Charles had to go off for Vic but there wasn’t a single other option on the bench that you thought would come on and have an impact. 

I think our biggest downfall at the moment is our lack of width and therefore our complete lack of ability to get the ball into the box. The two wingers come wingbacks are forever in our own half and Cogley couldn’t possibly ever play a forward pass to save his life so the concept is totally flawed.

It’s league 1 FFS, surely it’s as simple as being solid at the back, competing for everything, moving the ball quickly and getting balls into the box. 

Problem is, everything is through the middle at snails pace and it’s too easy to defend. I’ve never liked the idea of wingbacks, it’s just a shit formation. I think it’s time to get Mike Bassett on the blower, if nothing else not conceding 4 at home to a bang average team would be a start. Oh, and I know they just got relegated but for me I felt it was just all too easy for them.

[Blondi]

Two guys who are available would be great appointments with vast experience, Tony Mowbray, but not sure about his health these days, but the other guy is Gary Rowett, always rated him, he's a solid Championship manager.

[radcliffe white]

6 hours ago, Take Hunt Off said:

The idea that a target man type player is off the menu in a possession based team is total bollocks , Man City have the biggest one of the lot .

I’m an Evatt loyalist but the time has come  to draw a line & move on .

Pity it’s such a shitty end. 

We said this yesterday

just using for example a Sam cosgrove type player, we don’t have one striker who can hold the ball up and bat off defenders

[Stig]

8 hours ago, Greg_BWFC said:

I'm quoting you mate because you've mentioned systems.

But this is a genuine question for anyone who can help, not a dig at the manager.

Our formation, 3-4-3 is it ?

What are the 4 meant to be ?

Now bear in mind I'm quite old, so 4 in midfield to me used to mean 2 lads in the middle who could get about the pitch and 2 wingers/wide men.

What are our lads meant to be ?

I'm thinking more about the 2 out wide here.

Again, this is a genuine question, I don't think I know better than the manager or anyone else on here, far from it.

 

 

This is why I usually refer to this formation as a 5-2-3. Those wide players are primarily defenders, but to make the system work you have to have wingbacks the standard of Connor Bradley who can defend one minute, and be overlapping as a winger the next.

We don't have anyone that level so it ends up leaving us completely exposed in midfield with a huge gap to the strikers.

As I said in the formation thread it's a strange formation that I cant remember many teams using well. It relies on having absolute world beaters at wing back. At least the 5-3-2 from last season gave you the extra man in midfield to play through the middle and remove the reliance on the wingbacks.

A back 4 would have been my preference at the start of the season, but we've now sold our only left back (Iredale) and our only right back is injured (Jones). The squad is shockingly one dimensional to suit Evatt's current formation with like for like replacements. It's worrying.

[Stig]

8 hours ago, gonzo said:

No he wouldn't.

Well made argument... 😃 

For me, he'd add some height and physicality and can hold up the ball to bring the two wider forwards into the game. This is crucial when there's such a massive gap to the strikers and we're just hoofing it forward.

I wouldn't play this system and style of play personally but if we are going to, then none of the other strikers can do this.

[Whitesince63]

There’s just so much wrong though. Wing backs that aren’t, midfield that isn’t and no central player up top to hold the ball up. No leaders, a silent captain, laborious play, always like for like in game changes and the ridiculous need to change the strikers after 60 to 70 minutes every game. No striker wants to come off like that every week and I can’t believe they like it and then a manager who fails to see or consider alternatives. We’ve seen this for so long now and it just appears that we’re going backwards so quickly. Clearly it can’t go on and the inevitable must surely happen?

[Greg_BWFC]

1 hour ago, radcliffe white said:

We said this yesterday

just using for example a Sam cosgrove type player, we don’t have one striker who can hold the ball up and bat off defenders

Just what we were talking about during the game.

At our level, you need that option of sticking a big lummox up front.

Cosgrove is a good example, gave our defence absolute fits in the playoff.

It gives you a different way of playing and putting the other team off their game. 

Manager seems to think playing like this is a bit of a fail though so....

[radcliffe white]

1 minute ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Just what we were talking about during the game.

At our level, you need that option of sticking a big lummox up front.

Cosgrove is a good example, gave our defence absolute fits in the playoff.

It gives you a different way of playing and putting the other team off their game. 

Manager seems to think playing like this is a bit of a fail though so....

Absolutely, but it doesn’t fit the IE brand

I’ve said it from the off and keep repeating myself but it’s L1 football and IE is over complicating what many teams have made easy work

 

[marple whites]

Can’t defend that and the time has come for me.

too many times we play ok for 10 mins, go behind and then collapse.

the apathy before, during and after yesterday was embarrassing, even at 1 down at half time, everyone had given up.

thing is, my Huddersfield mate said they hadn’t played that well and we still lost 4–0.

left after the third and was home just after 5.

utter shambles, the fat lady has sung her final note, change now and the season can be saved.

[Greg_BWFC]

10 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Absolutely, but it doesn’t fit the IE brand

I’ve said it from the off and keep repeating myself but it’s L1 football and IE is over complicating what many teams have made easy work

 

Agree with that and I'd add that I don't think you need loads of creativity in your team.

Just players who know their roles and can put pressure on the opposition in the right areas.

They are division 3 defenders too, they'll create chances for us, don't worry about that.

We lost 4 nil yesterday and I'd argue we made 3 of them for Town. 

Just to add I do prefer us to try to play good football though.

Edited September 15 by Greg_BWFC

[Eddie]

15 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Absolutely, but it doesn’t fit the IE brand

I’ve said it from the off and keep repeating myself but it’s L1 football and IE is over complicating what many teams have made easy work

 

See this is where I think managers are protecting their own future prospects as well.

There is clearly a desire higher up the leagues to play a certain brand of football - most owners want their team to be like City.

Someone like Duff will just never get a shot at a prem job as his ‘brand’ doesn’t fit. He might be more successful in the lower leagues than Evatt, but IMO he’s actually got/had a lower chance of going higher just due to how he’s perceived.

Evatt will have seen Russell Martin and absolutely convinced himself that he can follow that route (but then be successful when he gets there). To do that he needs to stick to his ‘brand’, although clearly that style of football needs to then produce results. Up until the play off final it was all working well - goals like that one away at Barnsley that got a lot of media attention last season is exactly what he’s after, it highlights just what his ‘style’ can achieve.

Unfortunately for him, getting sacked doesn’t fit that plan but he can’t, and won’t, switch now.

Just to add to that - I think it’s the key driver of why you see so many L1/L2 teams pissing about passing it out from the keeper with players that can’t do it. It’s trying to prove that the manager is progressive and ‘keeping up with the times’.

Edited September 15 by Eddie

[Tombwfc]

7 minutes ago, Eddie said:

See this is where I think managers are protecting their own future prospects as well.

There is clearly a desire higher up the leagues to play a certain brand of football - most owners want their team to be like City.

Someone like Duff will just never get a shot at a prem job as his ‘brand’ doesn’t fit. He might be more successful in the lower leagues than Evatt, but IMO he’s actually got/had a lower chance of going higher just due to how he’s perceived.

Evatt will have seen Russell Martin and absolutely convinced himself that he can follow that route (but then be successful when he gets there). To do that he needs to stick to his ‘brand’, although clearly that style of football needs to then produce results. Up until the play off final it was all working well - goals like that one away at Barnsley that got a lot of media attention last season is exactly what he’s after, it highlights just what his ‘style’ can achieve.

Unfortunately for him, getting sacked doesn’t fit that plan but he can’t, and won’t, switch now.

Just to add to that - I think it’s the key driver of why you see so many L1/L2 teams pissing about passing it out from the keeper with players that can’t do it. It’s trying to prove that the manager is progressive and ‘keeping up with the times’.

 

Similarly, his post-match comments about negativity since Wembley are complete bollocks to anyone who's been paying attention. But it's all about presenting a narrative for future clubs to buy into - that the fans here didn't let him see through his vision.

Get a reputation for being progressive and 'playing the right way' and it'll stick. Get a reputation for hoofing it around and that'll stick too.

But what's missed is that passing it a lot doesn't always equal entertainment (and obviously doesn't always equal results). We've never been that entertaining to watch under IE despite his style of play. But if we appoint someone like Alex Neil the first criticism he'll face will be about how boring the football is.