Dr Faustus Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 i've got to squint to see. and i'm typing with one hand... i lost my phone abot 16 hours ago, and my back fell out about an hour after we got dicked, wembley at home but thank you to those who know legends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paulhanley Posted September 15 Popular Post Share Posted September 15 14 minutes ago, Eddie said: See this is where I think managers are protecting their own future prospects as well. There is clearly a desire higher up the leagues to play a certain brand of football - most owners want their team to be like City. Someone like Duff will just never get a shot at a prem job as his ‘brand’ doesn’t fit. He might be more successful in the lower leagues than Evatt, but IMO he’s actually got/had a lower chance of going higher just due to how he’s perceived. Evatt will have seen Russell Martin and absolutely convinced himself that he can follow that route (but then be successful when he gets there). To do that he needs to stick to his ‘brand’, although clearly that style of football needs to then produce results. Up until the play off final it was all working well - goals like that one away at Barnsley that got a lot of media attention last season is exactly what he’s after, it highlights just what his ‘style’ can achieve. Unfortunately for him, getting sacked doesn’t fit that plan but he can’t, and won’t, switch now. Just to add to that - I think it’s the key driver of why you see so many L1/L2 teams pissing about passing it out from the keeper with players that can’t do it. It’s trying to prove that the manager is progressive and ‘keeping up with the times’. I agree with this. There's a group-think that's descended on football and Evatt is one of the devout worshippers. At some point there'll be some revisionism. That won't involve a full-scale reversion to the Charles Hughes doctrines of leathering the ball long "in to the channels". But it will see more pragmatism mixed in. The contrast between Spain at this summer's Euros and the Spain team of the previous six or seven years was stark. Wingers were used, they got in early crosses and the game was played at a really high tempo. That was a marker for change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondi Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Just thought of another youngish manager that might fit the bill if Evatt goes, Brian Barry Murphy has recently left Man City, highly respected coach and is renowned for bringing young players through, just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 I’m supposed to be at the ‘it’s doesn’t bother me as I get older’ phase but crikey this is a grim Sunday morning. Whether folk like him or don’t, it seems universal it’s all over. I wonder if there is a plan b in place. I suspect there is going off my limited take from the Swiss chaps. Stabilise and start again next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 minute ago, tomski said: I’m supposed to be at the ‘it’s doesn’t bother me as I get older’ phase but crikey this is a grim Sunday morning. Whether folk like him or don’t, it seems universal it’s all over. I wonder if there is a plan b in place. I suspect there is going off my limited take from the Swiss chaps. Stabilise and start again next season I don’t think the owners can afford to write this season off mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted September 15 Members Share Posted September 15 In every walk of life and every generation a new trendsetter always comes along. One of these days, someone will have the minerals to challenge this tiki taka cult and achieve success with a different style of football. I just hope it's us. Personally, I loved the era where we were perceived as uncompromising bruisers causing fannies like Arsehole Wenger to whinge like fuck about us whilst we played them off the park with skill and tenacity (and just a little bit of intimidation). A collection of masters of the dark arts like that Brannagan prick from Oxford United would do me right now. Have the opposition cacking it before they've even got off the bus. We'd go through this division like a dose of salts just like Huddersfield went through us yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Just now, radcliffe white said: I don’t think the owners can afford to write this season off mate Made that call by giving it another go. I get it’s 5 games and all that but think we need a few ins and outs again. It’s difficult to judge if this team is good or not as they certainly aren’t showing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auckland_bwfc Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) 52 minutes ago, paulhanley said: I agree with this. There's a group-think that's descended on football and Evatt is one of the devout worshippers. At some point there'll be some revisionism. That won't involve a full-scale reversion to the Charles Hughes doctrines of leathering the ball long "in to the channels". But it will see more pragmatism mixed in. The contrast between Spain at this summer's Euros and the Spain team of the previous six or seven years was stark. Wingers were used, they got in early crosses and the game was played at a really high tempo. That was a marker for change. Perfectly captured yesterday in the villa game, their first or maybe second goal, a worldie from outside of the box and the commentator even said "you don't see goals like that anymore"....... Le Tissier was doing it every week back in the day. Probably wouldnt get a start these days.... Edited September 15 by auckland_bwfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lofthouse Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Just watched the goals back, I know not miserable enough, but fuck me the 3rd and 4th are particularly horrific. So bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianofcleveleys Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 53 minutes ago, paulhanley said: I agree with this. There's a group-think that's descended on football and Evatt is one of the devout worshippers. At some point there'll be some revisionism. That won't involve a full-scale reversion to the Charles Hughes doctrines of leathering the ball long "in to the channels". But it will see more pragmatism mixed in. The contrast between Spain at this summer's Euros and the Spain team of the previous six or seven years was stark. Wingers were used, they got in early crosses and the game was played at a really high tempo. That was a marker for change. Spot on, Evatt has got caught in the trap of being a disciple without keeping up with evolution. Even if he's 100% beholden to Pep's way he'd have noticed that Pep's evolved the approach by bringing in Haaland, for his added physicality and aerial power but also so the game can be mixed up and include quickly going long for him to turn a CB and have a one on one in seconds. As you rightly say, Spain's evolution at the Euros was striking and enjoyable to watch, pace, width, crosses, chances. Evatt's tweak of system, still stuck in the same principles, was not any form of evolution, however he might try to dress it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 17 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: I don’t think the owners can afford to write this season off mate Based on what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 5 minutes ago, Matt Lofthouse said: Just watched the goals back, I know not miserable enough, but fuck me the 3rd and 4th are particularly horrific. So bad. I thought the third was worse than the 4th watching it back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Score Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) He should have gone after Oxford. The board should have made that decision. They didn’t and this season is over by the middle of September. I suspect he will still be in post until at least the next international break as the board will try to justify their decision not to part ways in the summer as he enters a favourable run of fixtures. Hopefully I’m wrong and a new manager is installed and gets the favourable run of fixtures to get some confidence back into the team Edited September 15 by Under_Score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ani said: Based on what ? Folk will drop off loads of hard work been done thats at risk It won’t be sustainable to keep giving cheap season tickets away and its inevitable they will go up, problem you have people will pay extra for championship football but not L1 and that will be the issue once fans disconnect it’s hard to get them back, the club needs to be proactive and show fans this season isn’t done Edited September 15 by radcliffe white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eddie said: See this is where I think managers are protecting their own future prospects as well. There is clearly a desire higher up the leagues to play a certain brand of football - most owners want their team to be like City. Someone like Duff will just never get a shot at a prem job as his ‘brand’ doesn’t fit. He might be more successful in the lower leagues than Evatt, but IMO he’s actually got/had a lower chance of going higher just due to how he’s perceived. Evatt will have seen Russell Martin and absolutely convinced himself that he can follow that route (but then be successful when he gets there). To do that he needs to stick to his ‘brand’, although clearly that style of football needs to then produce results. Up until the play off final it was all working well - goals like that one away at Barnsley that got a lot of media attention last season is exactly what he’s after, it highlights just what his ‘style’ can achieve. Unfortunately for him, getting sacked doesn’t fit that plan but he can’t, and won’t, switch now. Just to add to that - I think it’s the key driver of why you see so many L1/L2 teams pissing about passing it out from the keeper with players that can’t do it. It’s trying to prove that the manager is progressive and ‘keeping up with the times’. Spot on. I'd add that it extends to the players too - more likely to get a move up the leagues if playing/perceived to be playing a particular way. Which comes back to the touted 'Moneyball' idea that we haven't really seen happen. Edited September 15 by RoadRunnerFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plums Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 It’s a failed experiment for me, you can’t play that style of football in our league with the players at our disposal, it just doesn’t work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batton carrier Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 I wanted it to work out for Evatt I really did. He seemed like the right man at the right time. A good fit at a resurgent Bolton Wanderers. Something has changed on the pitch , maybe it is as a result of something happening off it,maybe it isn't. But it is clear for all to see that something needs to change. The club needs to act or I suspect atmosphere in the ground will change very quickly. If it does we will likely see numbers drop off, which will be a real shame as it is great to see the ground with so many fans in . I don't think Evatt can finish the job that he started so well. It is time for the chairman to make a big decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambridgeBWFC Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 15 minutes ago, Ani said: I thought the third was worse than the 4th watching it back The 4th is a goal that will haunt us as it is so unbelievably piss poor, but the 3rd shows that the whole team is incapable of defending as a unit, and highlights, as if it was really needed, why not marking players on the edge of the box and pushing out will always cause issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 41 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: I don’t think the owners can afford to write this season off mate Well if that was the case they should have changed the manager after Oxford because this was always a possibility and it is already a virtual write off. This is going to take at least another transfer window to sort, hopefully with a new management team, but in reality we are going nowhere this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 15 minutes ago, CambridgeBWFC said: The 4th is a goal that will haunt us as it is so unbelievably piss poor, but the 3rd shows that the whole team is incapable of defending as a unit, and highlights, as if it was really needed, why not marking players on the edge of the box and pushing out will always cause issues. It was like kids football , everyone trying to help but no one actually doing anything. The 4th goal will be replayed everytime someone talks about the Evatt days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 27 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: Folk will drop off loads of hard work been done thats at risk It won’t be sustainable to keep giving cheap season tickets away and its inevitable they will go up, problem you have people will pay extra for championship football but not L1 and that will be the issue once fans disconnect it’s hard to get them back, the club needs to be proactive and show fans this season isn’t done Ahh I thought you meant financially, no one has any idea how deep their pockets are. I honestly can not see a single reason to keep him and I keep repeating this one of the main reasons is for IEs personal state of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, Tombwfc said: Similarly, his post-match comments about negativity since Wembley are complete bollocks to anyone who's been paying attention. But it's all about presenting a narrative for future clubs to buy into - that the fans here didn't let him see through his vision. Get a reputation for being progressive and 'playing the right way' and it'll stick. Get a reputation for hoofing it around and that'll stick too. But what's missed is that passing it a lot doesn't always equal entertainment (and obviously doesn't always equal results). We've never been that entertaining to watch under IE despite his style of play. But if we appoint someone like Alex Neil the first criticism he'll face will be about how boring the football is. Since the turn of the year he's been found out & the word is out. We mostly knew this. It was the 'Plan B' point, which he dismissed & even mocked fans about it. So, in terms of protecting his future, he has no future if he can't see this and have other options. 13 wins from 41 means it's not working. His minor tweak to a 2 man midfield is a mystery. Again, it's utterly clear it's not working but he just doubles down. I'm not screaming for big boot but the 75% possession, tippy-tap between the back 3 & keeper gets us absolutely nowhere. Allows the opposition to get 11 back. It's obvious he doesn't tolerate any initiative from the players, players I'm convinced are good enough but aren't allowed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Listened to the Buff (thanks Cheese ) got to agree with everything I have calmed down now Evatt as taken us as far as he can we have no leaders on the pitch we go a goal down we are done and that’s been happening for a long time now and the thing that sums it up for me is young George talking to the press and our Captain yet again no where to be seen! Evatt sounds like he’s finished cannot see him being able to sort this mess out he’s too stuck in his tippy tappy football vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tomski Posted September 15 Popular Post Share Posted September 15 Next manager. I hope the only philosophy is winning games and being promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 15 Moderators Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, radcliffe white said: I don’t think the owners can afford to write this season off mate No and there's absolutely no reason to do so Just need to bring the right person in Suspect we'd need to bring in an experienced manager who has come to a club at this point before as opposed to an untested but promising coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts