Assisted Dying

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Parliament votes on the Assisted Dying Bill this week 

It has the potential to be perhaps the biggest social change in a generation and it's snuck under the radar a bit

For me, the arguments against are currently more convincing than the arguments in favour, but I suspect I'll be in the minority

[Tonge moor green jacket]

20 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Parliament votes on the Assisted Dying Bill this week 

It has the potential to be perhaps the biggest social change in a generation and it's snuck under the radar a bit

For me, the arguments against are currently more convincing than the arguments in favour, but I suspect I'll be in the minority

I've swung slightly to your way of thinking.

Fundamentally, yes I agree with it, however there seem to be a few too many concerns being raised.

Devil will be in the detail of course, but it can't be allowed to be a thin end of the wedge.

 

[L/H White]

I'm all for it under the right circumstances 

I never want to get to a point where I'm just existing and my daughter has to care for me everyday 

[Casino]

Agreed

Id want to be able to choose to fuck it off, so how could I vote against it

I had 2 parents who had dementia and quality of life was zero

My dad was skin and bone when he died

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

Agreed

Id want to be able to choose to fuck it off, so how could I vote against it

I had 2 parents who had dementia and quality of life was zero

My dad was skin and bone when he died

This is where the justice Secretary got it wrong for me.

Claiming the state shouldn't be providing a death service.

It's a service to fulfil the wishes of a dying person, who doesn't want to suffer unnecessarily. Huge difference. 

As above, if there can be proper guarantees that don't leave the system open to abuse, then yes.

Just have reservations on that point.

 

[bwfcfan5]

I’m pretty much in agreement with streeting on this. In principle I’m in favour. Absolutely. But currently with social care how it is, the NHS how it is, I’m worried that safeguards albeit adequate in theory might break down in practice.

I think it almost needs a vote where parliament can say ‘yes’ but a number of KPIs have to be met in the social care and health care provision before it becomes law. 

[Casino]

My dad died a few years ago...after he had lost my mum

His dementia was such that he was sectioned

He then spent approx 14 months in a home under a DoLS order

The last 8, he didnt know me

It cost him around 44k to pay to be locked up

Fuck that

Its no life and its very expensive

[little whitt]

30 minutes ago, Casino said:

Agreed

Id want to be able to choose to fuck it off, so how could I vote against it

I had 2 parents who had dementia and quality of life was zero

My dad was skin and bone when he died

IM IN 

but they are saying 

MPs may vote Against  it 

Tell me again 

How they speak for the VOTERS who put them there 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I doubt the threshold of a terminal illness with a six-month prognosis will hold for very long

[Winchester White]

9 minutes ago, little whitt said:

IM IN 

but they are saying 

MPs may vote Against  it 

Tell me again 

How they speak for the VOTERS who put them there 

That is our democracy.

To be fair, this is getting the most scrutiny I have seen for a very long time. I want it to go through but I do have reservations especially where it comes into the coersion of ill but still medically well by their relatives.

[little whitt]

5 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

That is our democracy.

To be fair, this is getting the most scrutiny I have seen for a very long time. I want it to go through but I do have reservations especially where it comes into the coersion of ill but still medically well by their relatives.

if someone says to me you have 6 months to live 

in pain and Suffering 

or here is a Pill 

good night good bless 

( after i have killed every cunt in my little black book )

[Tonge moor green jacket]

28 minutes ago, little whitt said:

IM IN 

but they are saying 

MPs may vote Against  it 

Tell me again 

How they speak for the VOTERS who put them there 

It's a free vote. Therefore no specific policy requirements and whip removed.

In order to get your point of view over, you should write to your mp.

The only way for constituents to get their opinions across in these situations.

[Big E]

As long as the decision is made when you are of sound mind then I am all for it. Watching relatives die via dementia is never a good thing. 
 

personally I would get it in place for myself. I have an irrational fear of being locked in. Really scares me. Most days

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Agreed

Id want to be able to choose to fuck it off, so how could I vote against it

I had 2 parents who had dementia and quality of life was zero

My dad was skin and bone when he died

My dad was skin and bone as well, he had all his mental faculties and he wanted to die for about 5 years before he did… they even fucked up his end of line medication… terrible death. 😭  it has to be passed into law. 

[Winchester White]

43 minutes ago, little whitt said:

if someone says to me you have 6 months to live 

in pain and Suffering 

or here is a Pill 

good night good bless 

( after i have killed every cunt in my little black book )

Fuck me. You are a good reason why this isn't such an easy decision 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

My dad was skin and bone as well, he had all his mental faculties and he wanted to die for about 5 years before he did… they even fucked up his end of line medication… terrible death. 😭  it has to be passed into law. 

Absolutely 

And millions more have suffered unnecessarily. 

I get people’s concerns, but we simply have to find a way to make it work, the alternative is just too cruel.

 Sorry to hear about your Dad, & Casino’s. Not an easy way to lose a loved one, though I’m sure you both hold onto many better memories from earlier years.

People have the right to choose not to put themselves & their family through misery. 

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Absolutely 

And millions more have suffered unnecessarily. 

I get people’s concerns, but we simply have to find a way to make it work, the alternative is just too cruel.

 Sorry to hear about your Dad, & Casino’s. Not an easy way to lose a loved one, though I’m sure you both hold onto many better memories from earlier years.

People have the right to choose not to put themselves & their family through misery. 

Thanks LW… loads of top memories he was a real character and straight as a dye. 

[MancWanderer]

As I’ve said before on another thread, in the early 60’s my mum’s dad had bone cancer of the spine. Was in hideous pain, bed-bound, and living (more like existing) in a downstairs room. No life for him and life for the family basically stopped. After discussion the local village GP gave him an extra shot of summat one day to “see him peacefully through the night”

To this day my mum always says that if there’s ever that option open to me and my brother if she ends up like that, or like my dad with his dementia, then do it and feel no guilt

Obviously can’t but if I could give her a piece of paper to sign to agree to it she’d snatch my hand off. I’d do the same 

[deeane Koontz]

Nobody should be made to suffer with some awful illness if they wanted out. It's madness to me.

[Dimron]

I understand the Bill is about assisting the final stages of death to a person and for that reason I'm in.

Having sat with someone (with less than days to go) who has said to me "I wish there was an off-switch"... and then see him last almost one further week with increasing pain and accompanying loss of dignity as his internal cancer ridden organs malfunctioned, I know there is a need for this legislation. If I could relive that moment with the knowledge of what happened over the following week I would have reached for that pillow.

We give our pet dogs better endings.

[Ani]

I think there could be some kind of 'opt in' scheme whereby you carry a card that says you wish to be considered for assisted death.

Logic being you have this well in advance so mental capacity or short term thinking is less of an issue.  You can opt out of resucitation so why not other treatments ?  

[Cheese]

Kim Leadbeater (who introduced the Bill) has done a good interview about it on today's The Rest is Politics podcast. The Bill is very specific in that it would only apply to terminally ill adults who have less than 6 months to live, and their decision would have to be approved by 2 doctors (7 days apart), and a High Court Judge. It explicitly rules out Assisted Dying for people with mental illnesses, disabled people, and children. I understand both sides of the debate, but I'd probably have a much stronger opinion if it directly affected me or one of my loved ones.

Edited November 29 by Cheese

[Big E]

16 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Kim Leadbetter (who introduced the Bill) has done a good interview about it on today's The Rest is Politics podcast. The Bill is very specific in that it would only apply to terminally ill adults who have less than 6 months to live, and their decision would have to be approved by 2 doctors (7 days apart), and a High Court Judge. It explicitly rules out Assisted Dying for people with mental illnesses, disabled people, and children. I understand both sides of the debate, but I'd probably have a much stronger opinion if it directly affected me or one of my loved ones.

I think it is wrong to exclude dimentia / locked in type of health issues. 
 

when my dad died they said had he pulled through he would have been completely unable to care for himself. I was lucky that it was only around 2 months from my dad’s initial admission to hospital to the day he died. That was grim enough. The thought of that happening and then having no exit time is horrific. 

[Zico]

think I posted before

but friend's dad in Brisbane was terminally ill and having a shite time of it seeing out his days going through the motions with treatment etc

then they passed a bill in Queensland that meant he could end it on his terms

so he stopped the medication, cracked open the wine and said goodbye to his friends and family his way

his last two weeks were the happiest of his entire illness

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

think I posted before

but friend's dad in Brisbane was terminally ill and having a shite time of it seeing out his days going through the motions with treatment etc

then they passed a bill in Queensland that meant he could end it on his terms

so he stopped the medication, cracked open the wine and said goodbye to his friends and family his way

his last two weeks were the happiest of his entire illness

Did he 'just' stop medication ? 
 

I think refusing medication and letting nature takeover is different than giving nature a helping hand so to speak.