All my life i have seen crime committed by "not rights " families looked after and later , back on the road to do the same thing paid for by thee n me

WHY? Lets  f********* em all off and save us loads of brass 

Trouble is the rest of the world heard about , and our benefits bill has grown a tad .

43 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I heard a good arguement recently that the "neets" should be re christened "leets"... "Looking for" rather than "Not in", that way we put the pressure on the government and avoid stigmatising youngsters who want to better themselves

Issue is,  often they're not. 

I've taught NEETS, as part of a learning program to develop their skills, the council tutors help them with life skills, employability skills and IT skills (nothing outside what I teach in a secondary school). 

The stipulation was they were paid to attend, and so they did, but I got nothing from them, 5 hour teaching day seemed like a week. 

One turned up purely as "my mums gonna boot me out of I dont". 

Then there's the ones that don't understand professionalism,  why can't I have face tattoos, face full of metal,  why can't I sit on my phone, why do I need to dress and look smart, why do I have to start at the bottom. 

I'm on a good wage now, I can't grumble.. hadn't always been this way and my first job from uni was full time at HMV on minimum wage as I couldn't get a graduate job.. it sucked. Graduates were on 18/19k I was on 12k and had to work evenings and weekends (missed most of BWFCs glory days). Within a year I was a floor manager. Then assistant manager by time I left. Had illusions of grandure in uni and well, that didn't happen. 

Doesn't matter what you do, you've got to graft to get there but so many young people want the prize without the leg worm that most on here, like myself,  will have done in some way. 

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

There's always one. 

Fuck it then. Don't encourage any kids into trades. Let them all loiter in search of IT jobs, marine biologist posts and whatever the fuck a sociology course leads to.

Go on then - changing a light bulb; replacing an electrical plug; scraping oil pockets into white metal bearing sleeves; re-wiring your house; buffing your woggle.

After you have successfully disputed these I have more. A lot more.

I'm not disputing anything 

plenty trades will be fine 

even brick laying 

just showing technology is far more advanced than you might think

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Isn’t that mechanisation? It’s been going on since the start of the Industrial Revolution. 

aye, as above, just showing technology is moving in the direction it always has and can / probably will replace most things human can do in time

chuck in ai as well and nothing is safe 

for now I think they'll assist rather than replace 

eventually no doubt they'll be humanoids who move around a building site rather than being stuck in one place doing one job, and sending the robots off to find tartan paint and long stands 

5 hours ago, Sweep said:

Agree it won't

Although, sadly, houses probably will be more flatpack / prefab / modular than brick in the future, meaning they can be lobbed up in no time at all, and minimal manpower will be required.

A new house was built in our village in well under a week, it was mental, basically a huge jigsaw, that a few blokes and a couple of cranes managed to erect in no time at all - apparently very environmentally friendly, not sure if it's cheaper or more expensive at the minute though

Most maccies are modular, the inner workings all built into the pieces so its just plug and play pretty much once its on site, always surprised me Jones homes, barratts etc haven't gone this route given all their houses are exactly the same across every development. 

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

Issue is,  often they're not. 

I've taught NEETS, as part of a learning program to develop their skills, the council tutors help them with life skills, employability skills and IT skills (nothing outside what I teach in a secondary school). 

The stipulation was they were paid to attend, and so they did, but I got nothing from them, 5 hour teaching day seemed like a week. 

One turned up purely as "my mums gonna boot me out of I dont". 

Then there's the ones that don't understand professionalism,  why can't I have face tattoos, face full of metal,  why can't I sit on my phone, why do I need to dress and look smart, why do I have to start at the bottom. 

I'm on a good wage now, I can't grumble.. hadn't always been this way and my first job from uni was full time at HMV on minimum wage as I couldn't get a graduate job.. it sucked. Graduates were on 18/19k I was on 12k and had to work evenings and weekends (missed most of BWFCs glory days). Within a year I was a floor manager. Then assistant manager by time I left. Had illusions of grandure in uni and well, that didn't happen. 

Doesn't matter what you do, you've got to graft to get there but so many young people want the prize without the leg worm that most on here, like myself,  will have done in some way. 

After graduating I came out thinking the world owed me something and it was a shock to find I was just another college sprog but as you say, we just knuckled down and got on with it, but at least we were able to give it a go.

About 20 years ago I did some part time teaching in construction at FE colleges (HNC stuff) and the old hands used to tell me how the quality of the raw product coming in from the schools had dropped. We were delivering lessons to get new learners to the basic standards of numeracy and literacy so they could progress.

Maybe things have continued to decline and neets are the product... but the optimist in me will always hope this is not the case and it's a problem of opportunity.

18 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Most maccies are modular, the inner workings all built into the pieces so its just plug and play pretty much once its on site, always surprised me Jones homes, barratts etc haven't gone this route given all their houses are exactly the same across every development. 

I worked as a defects surveyor putting NHBC and Zurich claims together for a good few years, timber framed and modular housing kept us in business! 

These days I am involved in rectifying building cladding and fire door defects, I know guys involved in Green Deal/ECO defects... new technologies don't sit well in an under skilled tradition based industry but will give me a retirement income as long as I want it

1 hour ago, frank_spencer said:

Most maccies are modular, the inner workings all built into the pieces so its just plug and play pretty much once its on site, always surprised me Jones homes, barratts etc haven't gone this route given all their houses are exactly the same across every development. 

The ones in Walkden/Farnworth border were modular, 

Spoke to a guy who was in one of the first ones, said they quite literally bolted together then built around the frame., 

Modular build prevalent in new budget hotels and student accommodation blocks where size of “pod” for delivery/ crane lift not an issue.

11 hours ago, Zico said:

I'm not disputing anything 

plenty trades will be fine 

even brick laying 

just showing technology is far more advanced than you might think

FFS give over. Next you'll be telling me that there's a device that can make tea.

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

FFS give over. Next you'll be telling me that there's a device that can make tea.

Wife V1

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

FFS give over. Next you'll be telling me that there's a device that can make tea.

Talking of which, did anybody ever own one of these types of contraptions, back in the day, before people got boiling water taps?