barry cowdrill Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 don't think i expected owt the second half today was dreadful so i thought i'd ask the question Mr Negative or what?Give the bloke a chance for fcks sake,or go on the Blackburn boards and moan about Big Sam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 30, 2010 Moderators Share Posted January 30, 2010 seems we're in agreement then so far, all thats changed is that our new manager makes the effort to get the fans on side and we defend better (questionable imo) im sure in time we'll see more improvements, but todays second half was as shit as its been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry cowdrill Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 seems we're in agreement then so far, all thats changed is that our new manager makes the effort to get the fans on side and we defend better (questionable imo) im sure in time we'll see more improvements, but todays second half was as shit as its been Fck me dont think Fergie could have even turned us round that quick. Like i say give the bloke a fckin chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted January 30, 2010 Site Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) im in agreement with cassie and victor but as burnden says, it early and ill give coyle chance to change things. i dont think cassie is calling coyle, but more the fans who seem to be happy nothings changed apart from the manager. back on thread, today we were shite at a place were anyone can look good. no matter how bad liverpool are this season, they looked a world away from us. one thing that really pisses me off, is the number of attacks that break down when davies is in possession. pass the fukcin ball man! Edited January 30, 2010 by HomerJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt meyer Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 seems we're in agreement then so far, all thats changed is that our new manager makes the effort to get the fans on side and we defend better (questionable imo) im sure in time we'll see more improvements, but todays second half was as shit as its been 20 odd thousand posts, I wonder if they are all of similar quality. You must be tired of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry cowdrill Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 20 odd thousand posts, I wonder if they are all of similar quality. You must be tired of life. Correct my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroySwoosh Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 It's interesting that most of the fans who said we should get behind megson etc are the same fans who are already questioning the new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Nt Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I think some people are just born miserable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M G WHITES Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 seems we're in agreement then so far, all thats changed is that our new manager makes the effort to get the fans on side and we defend better (questionable imo) im sure in time we'll see more improvements, but todays second half was as shit as its been Poor today,no better than it was under t'other mon but 3 points next Saturday is a cert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Alf Hartigan Posted January 31, 2010 Site Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2010 It's interesting that most of the fans who said we should get behind megson etc are the same fans who are already questioning the new manager. I've not read owt on here questioning Coyle. Just a few posts pointing out that not much has changed in terms of football, nor could it be expected yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Jackson Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 seems we're in agreement then so far, all thats changed is that our new manager makes the effort to get the fans on side and we defend better (questionable imo) im sure in time we'll see more improvements, but todays second half was as shit as its been I'd agree with that. I'm one who thinks the manager has a lot less of an impact on a game than the players do. We are still rubbish cos we have some rubbish players! Nobody will ever convince me that Taylor, Muamba, Knight are Premiership standard. In fact the latter 2 cannot even pass as good as ME... and I'm no good! The last manager bought some bad un's... the current manager has to use em! However Gary Megson's last couple of aquisitions, Lee Chung Yung and Klasnic are both great footballers. Add to that Owen Coyle's loan stars Weiss n Wilshire [ who are both gonna be massive! ] ... and we may just start to string more than 3 passes together without hoofing it anywhere! Arnold ... fed up of the "hit it anywhere" mentality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted January 31, 2010 Site Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2010 It's interesting that most of the fans who said we should get behind megson etc are the same fans who are already questioning the new manager. do we have a new head banging against wall smiley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) My take on yesterday is that both teams were poor, we should gave scored first and it may have been a different outcome, however more of a concern for me is the lack of talking and organisation from the bsck 5 Liverpool 1st goal was due to poor positioning from our back 4 we had 5 players in around the box unfortunately Zat Knight was out at left back marking Kuyt, Ricketts was outside of him in acres of space marking no one, Cahill was in the centre of the penalty area and not marking anyone but worse than that was he could see the full picture and did not talk and organise the players around him, this resulted in all the back four shifting too far left and leaving the right side of the pitch unmarshalled, simple ball across the pitch found Insua in acres of space, the ball was then crossed too the far post and 1 liveropol player was surrounded by 4 Bolton players he heads the ball back unchallenged,again 4 bolton players in the box and only 1 liverpool player who unbelivably is not picked up by any bolton player, this type of defending could result in relegation, and tells me that there is no leader or communication,we need a leader and fast. My take on where Owen Coyle is at the moment is that he is giving the players that Megson signed a chance to show what they can do before he gives his own signings a chance, looking at our starting 11 yesterday I can see the following players places up for grabs, Jussi for me he is in the team on experience yes he is steady but lacks organisational and talking skills, his command of the box is probably the worst in the premiership, left back slot is up for grabs and we have a lack of quality there, I would like to see Samuel in purely because I think defensively he is the most soild of a bad bunch, midfield central Wilshere should start alongside Muamba, wide left Taylor is having a mediocre season and we could play Ricardo there or one of Chung yong/Weiss, or maybe Wilshere if we use Davies central midfield, up front Klasnic should start every game as he is the only regular goal threat and he should be partnered with Davies away from home and Elmander at home, also think bringing in a pacy centre forward is a must. Edited January 31, 2010 by Mounts Kipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylswhite Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Somebody makes a correct observation and people are straight on his back. If you read the post again theres no questioning anybody, its the truth. Its gonna take Coyle time and he will be intent on just keeping us up and bringing in his own in the summer imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desperado Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 are we about to pass our way back to the championship with fighting displays full of courage and attacking flair and no points? when we didn't do it, it was like playing against 12 sacrificing one of ours to negate their best player makes sense can somebody tell me what we have seen so far that shows coyle to be better than megson for me, today was the same old, same old i like coyle, hes said some good stuff and hes probably got us some good players in, but bar the improvement in elmander, tell me what you've seen best thing from today - lee worst thing - davies was useless ie, without a use 2 contrasting statements here and the reality is somewhere in the middle. One suggests we have suddenly become a passing side which will see us go into the championship. And the other which asks the question is Coyle better than Megson? Both are negative and IMO needless. Nothing is going to change overnight, so for me irrational statements and questions like this are nonsense. Negative reactions to a defeat at Anfield are a waste of time, Jesus we have lost 10 out of our last 11 there. Are we now a passing side? How on earth could we be? I have seen and heard enough from Coyle to suggest we aren't suddenly going to change our philosophy immediately. Have things changed and is Coyle better than Megson is equally as daft. He has brought a different type of player to the club and yesterday his subs suggested he is still sussing out the squad. Regardless of how we play and who the manager is its likely we are going to be involved in the relegation scrap and in accepting this, inevitably we will have poor performances and poor results. Don't let this lead to reactive irrational statements and questions. We believed that Coyle would be given a long honeymoon period and rightly so, so let's not taint this, give him time and our full support. As I read recently better to struggle in harmony than survive in acrimony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 2 contrasting statements here and the reality is somewhere in the middle. One suggests we have suddenly become a passing side which will see us go into the championship. And the other which asks the question is Coyle better than Megson? Both are negative and IMO needless. Nothing is going to change overnight, so for me irrational statements and questions like this are nonsense. Negative reactions to a defeat at Anfield are a waste of time, Jesus we have lost 10 out of our last 11 there. Are we now a passing side? How on earth could we be? I have seen and heard enough from Coyle to suggest we aren't suddenly going to change our philosophy immediately. Have things changed and is Coyle better than Megson is equally as daft. He has brought a different type of player to the club and yesterday his subs suggested he is still sussing out the squad. Regardless of how we play and who the manager is its likely we are going to be involved in the relegation scrap and in accepting this, inevitably we will have poor performances and poor results. Don't let this lead to reactive irrational statements and questions. We believed that Coyle would be given a long honeymoon period and rightly so, so let's not taint this, give him time and our full support. As I read recently better to struggle in harmony than survive in acrimony. Excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 31, 2010 Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2010 And the other which asks the question is Coyle better than Megson? could you show me where i, or anybody else asked that you've missed the point by miles, but you're not alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 im in agreement with cassie and victor but as burnden says, it early and ill give coyle chance to change things. i dont think cassie is calling coyle, but more the fans who seem to be happy nothings changed apart from the manager. back on thread, today we were shite at a place were anyone can look good. no matter how bad liverpool are this season, they looked a world away from us. one thing that really pisses me off, is the number of attacks that break down when davies is in possession. pass the fukcin ball man! I kept saying that megsons signings were poor but many and you in particular said that was rubbish. Coyle will have done well if he keeps bolton up. We have to hope that neither wolves, pompey, hull or wigan start to pick up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desperado Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 when we didn't do it, it was like playing against 12 sacrificing one of ours to negate their best player makes sense can somebody tell me what we have seen so far that shows coyle to be better than megson for me, today was the same old, same old i like coyle, hes said some good stuff and hes probably got us some good players in, but bar the improvement in elmander, tell me what you've seen best thing from today - lee worst thing - davies was useless ie, without a use could you show me where i, or anybody else asked that you've missed the point by miles, but you're not alone You asked the question "What have we seen so far that shows Coyle to be better than Megson" In bold above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frandsen08 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 i dont think anyone yesterday had a good game apart from maybe LCY but he lost possession a bit. vlad "the impaler" weiss has to start next game. i am a big fan of SKD but the amount of times he had the ball in their half and didnt get his head up and gave the ball away with his passing as shocking. i think both cohen and taylor need dropping its been a long time coming for taylor and cohen seems to complacent , and how did someone discover muamba would be a footballer because his distribution is so bad its untrue. he's a good defensive minded midfielder but he cant even pass a simple ball some times. anyways we never get anything at anfield and lets just put that down to a bad day at the office, OC should have a better indication of who should be in the starting XI after his first few games. we have the lords and butlers next, COYWM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted January 31, 2010 Site Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2010 I kept saying that megsons signings were poor but many and you in particular said that was rubbish. Coyle will have done well if he keeps bolton up. We have to hope that neither wolves, pompey, hull or wigan start to pick up i still beleive megson bought reasonably well. he certainly didnt buy any total tosh like allardyce did. a couple are questionable, but the majority are good enough imo. making them play as a team is a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 31, 2010 Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) You asked the question "What have we seen so far that shows Coyle to be better than Megson" In bold above i did indeed i apologise a better choice (and what i actually meant) would have been 'an improvement' and the addition of 'so far' and my subsequent acceptance that its early days and we aint seen his signings yet, i'd have hoped you could see that i'm optimistic we will see improvements, but bar some excellent PR we are where we were yet now its the players fault and not the managers! Edited January 31, 2010 by Casino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desperado Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 i did indeed i apologise a better choice (and what i actually meant) would have been 'an improvement' and the addition of 'so far' and my subsequent acceptance that its early days and we aint seen his signings yet, i'd have hoped you could see that i'm optimistic we will see improvements, but bar some excellent PR we are where we were yet now its the players fault and not the managers! I see your point, in defending Coyle some see the need to slate the players and previous regime instead! I do see you are optimistic and like you say we are where we are, and we have what we have got and I think we are in agreement that it will take time with a few ups and downs to get it right and in the meantime the manager and players should get our support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Genius Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Worst atmosphere i've ever seen at a premier league game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) Worst atmosphere i've ever seen at a premier league game. Have to agree, got there late due to leaving Liverpool town centre pubs late, walking around the ground while the game was on you could hear a pin drop. The cabbie who drove us to the ground said that the majority of the home fans are now from Ireland/Scandinavia and anywhere other than Liverpool, one of the lads we went with stayed in liverpool and the game was on in all the town centre pubs and were rammed full, if the powers that be do not address this problem crowds and atmosphere will go further down the drain, also the ??37 entry is ??15 too much and was the worst ??37 I have spent since my visit to Everton last season. Edited January 31, 2010 by Mounts Kipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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