Why Is It....

[jazza]

That when a Barcelona player plays a ball 50 yards diagonally from left to right it is a wonderful pass but when we play an equally accurate pass through the middle it's a hoof?

 

Surely the pass through the middle is more attacking and is more likely to lead to a goal scoring opportunity.

 

just a thought, plus I'm stuck at work and bored senseless

[Rembrandt]

Could be worse - you could be watching England.

[SnoopJohnnyJohn]

That when a Barcelona player plays a ball 50 yards diagonally from left to right it is a wonderful pass but when we play an equally accurate pass through the middle it's a hoof?

Because clearly if you play for Barca it was intended and if you play for Bolton it was a hit-n-hope...

[scoobydoo]

Could be worse - you could be watching England.

 

Was at game , fucking wank

[fester58]

Was at game , fucking wank

 

you decided to waste youre dat watching that shower of shite, you should have been down the rigbys

[Didledee]

There is a difference, players like Xavi, Iniesta, Rooney, Scholes, Xavi Alonso, Schweinsteiger etc etc can all play the ball a Zat Knight can, flip it around and Knight can't do what they do.

 

A bit unfair to compare a defender to more attack minded players, though there's a difference between a Pique, Sergio Ramos, even John Terry at the switching than a punt down field looking for a target, there's more risk going down the wings, more chance of it going out of play, down the middle you may not win the ball, but there's more chance to win a second ball, gain possession in a larger area.

 

Football styles play a part of course and can make you perceive things wrongly, Knight could play a terrific long high pass with full 100% intent completed, but he's in the negative, hesitate, no ability on the floor category, so especially at clubs like us and Stoke[though we've played way more football than previous]it's going to be judged as a hit and hope looking for K.Davies ball, yet using Barca as a contrast example, with their players and style, when Pique, Puyol etc play a ball over head height it will be judged differently because of perceived ability of player and club.

 

Chelsea have had success since Abrahmovic came, but never really get mentioned football wise with teams like Barca, Man United, Arsenal etc, a long ball from Alex for example will be judged differently compared to a ball from Rio Ferdinand[who does like to hit balls in different angles and over head height]

 

Take Matty Taylor for an example, he's one of the worst culprits of just hitting a ball in an area without looking, hoping a player will run on to it[even slow K.Davies]He does it all the time, though if say Iniesta plays that ball and say David Villa wins it, then it will be judged differently[rightly or wrongly/unfairly] because with Iniesta's wide range of passing skills, it's like "he definitely meant that", but players like Taylor and Zat Knight don't give this impression and I'd say this kind of thinking gives an example as to why things are judged differently.

 

Don't want to hate on Knight too much, but he's our worst player at doing all the negative shite, imagine Knight pulling off a mazy 40 yard run, I'd think that it was a total one off, though an ex player like Ben Haim who used to come out with the ball and keep possession quite often would give out a different reaction, I'd be a tad shocked at what I've just seen, but knowing he's capable of it.

 

Once a team/player get's tagged, it's hard to change mentality, under Coyle[mostly before christmas]we got admirer/ praise for our quality football,we played some great stuff, if we continue to play like that to equal out more the negative football under Megson and Sam, then the long balls will be known more as a long pass, not a long ball, not much difference in words, but in terms of judgement a lot I'd say.

Edited June 4, 2011 by Didledee

[leigh white]

There is a difference, players like Xavi, Iniesta, Rooney, Scholes, Xavi Alonso, Schweinsteiger etc etc can all play the ball a Zat Knight can, flip it around and Knight can't do what they do.

 

A bit unfair to compare a defender to more attack minded players, though there's a difference between a Pique, Sergio Ramos, even John Terry at the switching than a punt down field looking for a target, there's more risk going down the wings, more chance of it going out of play, down the middle you may not win the ball, but there's more chance to win a second ball, gain possession in a larger area.

 

Football styles play a part of course and can make you perceive things wrongly, Knight could play a terrific long high pass with full 100% intent completed, but he's in the negative, hesitate, no ability on the floor category, so especially at clubs like us and Stoke[though we've played way more football than previous]it's going to be judged as a hit and hope looking for K.Davies ball, yet using Barca as a contrast example, with their players and style, when Pique, Puyol etc play a ball over head height it will be judged differently because of perceived ability of player and club.

 

Chelsea have had success since Abrahmovic came, but never really get mentioned football wise with teams like Barca, Man United, Arsenal etc, a long ball from Alex for example will be judged differently compared to a ball from Rio Ferdinand[who does like to hit balls in different angles and over head height]

 

Take Matty Taylor for an example, he's one of the worst culprits of just hitting a ball in an area without looking, hoping a player will run on to it[even slow K.Davies]He does it all the time, though if say Iniesta plays that ball and say David Villa wins it, then it will be judged differently[rightly or wrongly/unfairly] because with Iniesta's wide range of passing skills, it's like "he definitely meant that", but players like Taylor and Zat Knight don't give this impression and I'd say this kind of thinking gives an example as to why things are judged differently.

 

Don't want to hate on Knight too much, but he's our worst player at doing all the negative shite, imagine Knight pulling off a mazy 40 yard run, I'd think that it was a total one off, though an ex player like Ben Haim who used to come out with the ball and keep possession quite often would give out a different reaction, I'd be a tad shocked at what I've just seen, but knowing he's capable of it.

 

Once a team/player get's tagged, it's hard to change mentality, under Coyle[mostly before christmas]we got admirer/ praise for our quality football,we played some great stuff, if we continue to play like that to equal out more the negative football under Megson and Sam, then the long balls will be known more as a long pass, not a long ball, not much difference in words, but in terms of judgement a lot I'd say.

Do you fancy a day out for the rugby in Leigh in a couple of weeks Diddles ? No football on anymore so just going for a good laugh round Leigh.

[athywhite1958]

Do you fancy a day out for the rugby in Leigh in a couple of weeks Diddles ? No football on anymore so just going for a good laugh round Leigh.

 

M, don't encourage the fucker

[Juan.Kerr]

If it's done from a classic stance, arms wide for balance, standing knee slightly bent, eye on the ball, and played by a svelte tanned midfielder, and actually gets to its target, it's a pass.

If, however, it's dispatched like an exocet, from the toe of a boot, by a shirt-stretching, sweating clogger with clenched fists ,and misses it's mark by a furlong, its a hoof.

As I understand it.

[Rembrandt]

If it's done from a classic stance, arms wide for balance, standing knee slightly bent, eye on the ball, and played by a svelte tanned midfielder, and actually gets to its target, it's a pass.

If, however, it's dispatched like an exocet, from the toe of a boot, by a shirt-stretching, sweating clogger with clenched fists ,and misses it's mark by a furlong, its a hoof.

As I understand it.

 

That's pretty close to the dictionary definition, Juan.

[Danny G]

All this started years ago, Bolton were long ball and played 451/433, Chelsea played exactly the same system under Jose, albeit with better players

 

Bolton played Long Ball, when Chelsea hoofed it to Drogba it was called a "Dynamic pass"

[Superwhite]

All this started years ago, Bolton were long ball and played 451/433, Chelsea played exactly the same system under Jose, albeit with better players

 

Bolton played Long Ball, when Chelsea hoofed it to Drogba it was called a "Dynamic pass"

 

And Liverpool too. There was a stat - stattos on here will hopefully know where to find it, that had Liverpool and Chelsea above us regarding the long ball. Not sure which season but towards/at the end of the BSA era.

[Guest Biff]

All this started years ago, Bolton were long ball and played 451/433, Chelsea played exactly the same system under Jose, albeit with better players

 

Bolton played Long Ball, when Chelsea hoofed it to Drogba it was called a "Dynamic pass"

 

Maybe because Drogba could control the ball when he received it unlike SKD who just lets it skim off the top of his head.

[marsman]

Maybe because Drogba could control the ball when he received it unlike SKD who just lets it skim off the top of his head.

what you mean like setting up the winning goal at Birmingham or the 4th goal v Spurs or setting up the winner v Blackburn or the penalties he has won

not to mention the goals he scores and the fact that he doesnt fall over like a baby?

[Casino]

what you mean like setting up the winning goal at Birmingham or the 4th goal v Spurs or setting up the winner v Blackburn or the penalties he has won

not to mention the goals he scores and the fact that he doesnt fall over like a baby?

 

go on, mention em

 

i've got 10 seconds to spare

[marsman]

go on, mention em

 

i've got 10 seconds to spare

we know he is not prolific..merely pointing out he is more effective than some give him credit for

[Globetrotter]

A dynamic pass results in a goal, whereby a hoof does not.

A little like the short passing game is either 'tiptoeing through the tulips' / 'fannying about' or 'football on another level' - depending on whether a goal is the result.