Pablo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 you would have no jokes without my motherland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Only Naples has received more EU development money than Liverpool. And I don't mean the organised shop lifting by the lovable rogues on their European away days. manchester has had the most funding, by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Scargill campaigned for the release of two strikers who dropped a concrete block on a car which killed a bloke on his way to work. For that, he is, and remains, a cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) He surely did have solidarity with the miners. He had a hard life after you lot lost your jobs. He sure did, having a great life after the lies from The Sun and the News of the World. Get a grip NB. Do you not think all that press only started this year ? Edited December 31, 2011 by leigh white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 He sure did, having a great life after the lies from The Sun and the News of the World. Get a grip NB. Do you not think all that press only started this this year ? So are you aware of the London penthouse apartment he has, along with his Barnsley home, that the NUM can no longer afford yet he still demands it till his death. Not sure they are with the court battle but I hope they make him homeless. Come on LW, get a grip. He's not the messiah, he's a common thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Never trust anyone with what resembles a Shredded Wheat on his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazza Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Scargill and the rest of the fuckin self satisfying bastards that were union officials at that time are lower in my mind than Thatcher, Heseltine, Howe and even Tebbitt. Well ok not Tebbitt for his "get on a bike" comment. Ideally a union for the working man is a fundamentally sound and admirable thing. It is right that the little man should have a say en-mass to stand up for his rights regarding pay, conditions and job security. to fight his corner when the powerful employers are flexing their muscles. It's not just Arthur Scargill, Joe Gormley and the miners who were to blame for the demise of the unions, it was the abuse and self gratification that was shown by full time union officials right through the system that was to blame in my opinion. I have a personal example, all be it at a trivial level to most on here. I worked with a privatised company in the early '80's, a few years after the miners strikes and was a member of the GMBU. We as a workforce were having real problems and a third of us were being made redundant. Looking back, the size of the workforce was unsustainable and the dead wood had to be trimmed but it was a worrying time. A full time GMB union employee was sent to visit my workplace and duly arrived. He was greeted by the shop steward, who expected to have the lads called in for a meeting to discuss our fears, instead the official said he wanted to speak to the site manager first and proceeded to go to a free 3 hour liquid lunch with the manager. He was put up in a hotel by the company that night too we since found out. We had our meeting with him and he and his cronies did nothing for us. I wasn't made redundant, but that's not the point. Surely the principle of unions, without wanting to sound like a musketeer is all for one, one for all. I remained in a union until 4 years ago, through principle, but they have done sweet fuck all for me in my 30 years of being a working man. it's like communism.. a great idea on paper.... everyone equal.... it's just that some are more equal than others. Edit to say that if I paid ?4 a month a union for the entire period i paid my dues I have paid ?1440... and that ?4 is a lot less than the average i would bet. Edited December 31, 2011 by jazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 So are you aware of the London penthouse apartment he has, along with his Barnsley home, that the NUM can no longer afford yet he still demands it till his death. Not sure they are with the court battle but I hope they make him homeless. Come on LW, get a grip. He's not the messiah, he's a common thief. All he did in his tenure was to protect my future,but faced with an anti-union government who had police on the streets to make sure the fucking scabs in the Nottinghamshire coalfieid got through to work he had no chance. Ah Well. they all got sacked just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 All he did in his tenure was to protect my future,but faced with an anti-union government who had police on the streets to make sure the fucking scabs in the Nottinghamshire coalfieid got through to work he had no chance. Ah Well. they all got sacked just the same. Scabs died, People lost their jobs, he got an apartment for life. Not a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri Djorkaeff Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Scargill and the rest of the fuckin self satisfying bastards that were union officials at that time are lower in my mind than Thatcher, Heseltine, Howe and even Tebbitt. Well ok not Tebbitt for his "get on a bike" comment. Ideally a union for the working man is a fundamentally sound and admirable thing. It is right that the little man should have a say en-mass to stand up for his rights regarding pay, conditions and job security. to fight his corner when the powerful employers are flexing their muscles. It's not just Arthur Scargill, Joe Gormley and the miners who were to blame for the demise of the unions, it was the abuse and self gratification that was shown by full time union officials right through the system that was to blame in my opinion. I have a personal example, all be it at a trivial level to most on here. I worked with a privatised company in the early '80's, a few years after the miners strikes and was a member of the GMBU. We as a workforce were having real problems and a third of us were being made redundant. Looking back, the size of the workforce was unsustainable and the dead wood had to be trimmed but it was a worrying time. A full time GMB union employee was sent to visit my workplace and duly arrived. He was greeted by the shop steward, who expected to have the lads called in for a meeting to discuss our fears, instead the official said he wanted to speak to the site manager first and proceeded to go to a free 3 hour liquid lunch with the manager. He was put up in a hotel by the company that night too we since found out. We had our meeting with him and he and his cronies did nothing for us. I wasn't made redundant, but that's not the point. Surely the principle of unions, without wanting to sound like a musketeer is all for one, one for all. I remained in a union until 4 years ago, through principle, but they have done sweet fuck all for me in my 30 years of being a working man. it's like communism.. a great idea on paper.... everyone equal.... it's just that some are more equal than others. Edit to say that if I paid ?4 a month a union for the entire period i paid my dues I have paid ?1440... and that ?4 is a lot less than the average i would bet. Here Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globetrotter Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Leigh - I am sure you have worked since the 80's though I don't know you. My step dad and two uncles lost their jobs in this period (possibly you worked with them - Parsonage, Bikershaw ...). They and I am sure you moved on and got other jobs. In many areas Thatcher introduced re-training initiatives. One lad who works for me as an example saw his dad lose his job in the mines (Nottingham) and he is now a maths teacher. A huge amount of re- training took place in the NE in electronics etc so really I would say those of you who re-trained are the ones who looked after your own future - not old shredded wheat head ... Quite apart from all the politics of cleaner fuel / cheaper coal from Poland it is a fact that industries have their day and when they do we have to re-train. That is why BIHE (fine technical institution) is now Bolton Uni and they are teaching creative writing and not Building studies. It is also why none of us or our kids are working in textile mills ... Scargill was right, but he was and is a cunt of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globetrotter Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Leigh - I am sure you have worked since the 80's though I don't know you. My step dad and two uncles lost their jobs in this period (possibly you worked with them - Parsonage, Bikershaw ...). They and I am sure you moved on and got other jobs. In many areas Thatcher introduced re-training initiatives. One lad who works for me as an example saw his dad lose his job in the mines (Nottingham) and he is now a maths teacher. A huge amount of re- training took place in the NE in electronics etc so really I would say those of you who re-trained are the ones who looked after your own future - not old shredded wheat head ... Quite apart from all the politics of cleaner fuel / cheaper coal from Poland it is a fact that industries have their day and when they do we have to re-train. That is why BIHE (fine technical institution) is now Bolton Uni and they are teaching creative writing and not Building studies. It is also why none of us or our kids are working in textile mills ... Scargill was right, but he was and is a cunt of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globetrotter Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 manchester has had the most funding, by far. Of EU funding? You sure about that buddy? I would be very surprised if that's the case, surely Mersyside and SE Yorks with the 'Urban regeneration fundining' top the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Scabs died, People lost their jobs, he got an apartment for life. Not a bad deal. No scabs died in the dispute, but a few died protecting jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Them there building studies courses are part and parcel of a UK industry numbering over three million people. there is already a time bomb ticking as the average age is over 40, a generation of blairs children preferring wanky nondescript degrees and the like over a trade. So when the poles and the indians are building everything for us in 20 years time, whilst the postgrads stack shelves and serve bigmacs who do we blame then? Edited December 31, 2011 by Smiffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) No scabs died in the dispute, but a few died protecting jobs. LW, why do you keep missing the part about Scargill? He doesn't deserve your loyalty. & I'm sure some viewed the taxi driver, doing a day's job as a scab. Edited December 31, 2011 by no balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Of EU funding? You sure about that buddy? I would be very surprised if that's the case, surely Mersyside and SE Yorks with the 'Urban regeneration fundining' top the list. Regen Funding in general. Manchester has had almost double Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Liverpool City centre, is stunning. Shame for much of the rest granted. Dog shit shitty. Every fooking step round Walton, is a pile of the stuff. Still, I think Bolton is just as poor, ugly, drug infested and crime ridden, but with a 10000 x's worse town / city centre. But, I love both of the places. What I notice about the people is, yes Scousers can be self pitying, with reason imo. But Bolton folk, ALWAYS seem to hate EVERYTHING and EVERYONE. Seem to have small man syndrome, about all towns and places, I don know, maybe chat shit about other places, makes them forget about the place they live in. Edited December 31, 2011 by Pablo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white -50 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Been a good read this, i used to hate Thatcher with a vengeance, mostly because of the Poll Tax at the time. Moved on now, no feelings whatsoever about her now, Agree with Leigh White about the Miners, also Smiffs about the need to train Building and Construction related skills. Edited December 31, 2011 by white -50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Of EU funding? You sure about that buddy? I would be very surprised if that's the case, surely Mersyside and SE Yorks with the 'Urban regeneration fundining' top the list. Also.... Other cities in a roughly similar position to Liverpool were treated better. Manchester, under Labour control, had spent much more than Liverpool throughout the 1970s, and in the long run this worked to their benefit. Liverpool was given a target for 1984-5 of ?216 million while Manchester was given a target of ?240 million. This was despite the fact that the government itself had actually estimated Manchester's "need" to be ?4 million less than Liverpool. If Manchester and Liverpool had been treated equitably, which was the stated intention of the government, Liverpool's target for spending should have been ?244 million, and there would have been no budget deficit in 1984-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pato Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Also.... Other cities in a roughly similar position to Liverpool were treated better. Manchester, under Labour control, had spent much more than Liverpool throughout the 1970s, and in the long run this worked to their benefit. Liverpool was given a target for 1984-5 of ?216 million while Manchester was given a target of ?240 million. This was despite the fact that the government itself had actually estimated Manchester's "need" to be ?4 million less than Liverpool. If Manchester and Liverpool had been treated equitably, which was the stated intention of the government, Liverpool's target for spending should have been ?244 million, and there would have been no budget deficit in 1984-5. oh Christ do we need to reference our work now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted December 31, 2011 Site Supporter Share Posted December 31, 2011 Edit to say that if I paid ?4 a month a union for the entire period i paid my dues I have paid ?1440... and that ?4 is a lot less than the average i would bet. ?26 a month for me. Not sure what I actually get for that but as an insurance against things that may happen it's slightly more expensive than my car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 i hated thatcher, because her policies basically were really good for some and she did not give a shit about others and her legacy would be nothing without the falklands which was an avoidable war. however she at least believed in what she was doing and stuck to her guns todays politicans are a million miles behind her. she will go down as one of the countrys greatest prime ministers but that does not mean she was nt an evil cow. you could argue that you have to have that edge to be a great leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Like Hitler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Like Hitler? I must've missed the concentration camps in the UK. She was/is a power crazy mentalist, she also wasn't alone and managed to crush the other power crazy lot. It's what happens in politics, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts