Listening to Lineker et al after yesterdays pens I could not believe they were asking each other whether going first or second was the thing to do. No coach worth his salt would tell his team to go second. Those going first win rate is well over 60% as the team going second is invariably playing catch up.

 

Also noticed last night that the Portugese coach chose all the takers without consulting them, Ronaldo went last as he used the reverse system of having his weakest taker go first etc. Most teams choose their best to go 4th as this invariably turns out to be either a winner or must score kick to stay in.

 

These are a good read for an insight into stats and psychology of taking kicks:

 

http://m.askmen.com/sports/fanatic_300/334_penalty-shootouts-how-to-win.html

 

http://www.penaltyshootouts.co.uk/research.html

 

Perhaps Roy needs to read up rather than dismissing it as pot luck. Argentina have a success rate of 73% up to and including 2010 whereas we were 17% and its now 14% after this one. Germany are second on 71%.

 

Given those huge differences its no lottery as some of our stone age managers or coaches would want you to believe.

you could argue that going first has more pressure.

the coach wouldn't of not consulted them, he would of had a list of who wants to take the pens and then arranged the order taking into consideration subs that he had. the odd part of it was the fact that they left ronaldo to last, always pick your strongest takers first to last.

Keeper guesses right and he saves them, even the best players miss penalties so in some aspects it is a lottery

When we lost the other night, it's the first time we've lost a penalty shootout when we've been shooting to the right of the camera. Mega boring fact!

Listening to Lineker et al after yesterdays pens I could not believe they were asking each other whether going first or second was the thing to do. No coach worth his salt would tell his team to go second. Those going first win rate is well over 60% as the team going second is invariably playing catch up.

 

Also noticed last night that the Portugese coach chose all the takers without consulting them, Ronaldo went last as he used the reverse system of having his weakest taker go first etc. Most teams choose their best to go 4th as this invariably turns out to be either a winner or must score kick to stay in.

 

These are a good read for an insight into stats and psychology of taking kicks:

 

http://m.askmen.com/...how-to-win.html

 

http://www.penaltysh...k/research.html

 

Perhaps Roy needs to read up rather than dismissing it as pot luck. Argentina have a success rate of 73% up to and including 2010 whereas we were 17% and its now 14% after this one. Germany are second on 71%.

 

Given those huge differences its no lottery as some of our stone age managers or coaches would want you to believe.

 

You have started to talk sense all of a sudden.

 

Good stuff.

When we lost the other night, it's the first time we've lost a penalty shootout when we've been shooting to the right of the camera. Mega boring fact!

 

Was it our first ever shootout to the right?

Nope.

Nope.

 

Spain was to the right was it not?

Spain was to the right was it not?

 

Well done young man. Pick a prize.

You have started to talk sense all of a sudden.

 

Good stuff.

 

Agree with me = I talk sense

Disagree = I talk bollocks

 

i think thats the general rule on here, would be a shit forum if it wernt

Bollocks, I agree