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5 Years Ago - Euro U21S Final


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GERMANY v ENGLAND, 29 June 2009, Euro u21s final, Malmo.

 

Teams:

Neuer, Beck, Boesnich, Howedes, Boateng, Khedira, Ozil (Schmelzer), Wagner, F Johnson (Schwaab), Hummels (Aogo), Castro.

 

Loach, Cranie (Gardner), Cattermole, Onuoha (Mancienne), Milner, Noble, A Johnson, Muamba (Rodwell), Richards, Gibbs.

 

 

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it doesnt prove anything, but youve got to admit its interesting

 

not least that none of our lot have progressed much

But have they ever?

 

What i notice more than anything is that when players in the better national teams go back to play for their respective countries, it seems to mean far more to them and they slip into a group or team mentality. They slip effortlessly into a comfortable pattern of play and look far more like a team than England do.

 

When these teams score a goal, their bench of subs celebrate as though they were on the field, whereas most of ours look bored and disinterested.

 

I do not know what the answer is, perhaps we need to celebrate qualification as success in itself as nothing is going to change.

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To me it shows we've no strength In depth and bereft of any quality

 

Presumably those german lads couldn't get in the full Germany squad at the time as they weren't deemed good enough or ready (had Mueller stepped up already?)

 

Whereas we'll put anyone with a hint of talent straight into full squad, eg Rooney and walcott

 

We've never had a decent u21 set up in terms of many if any of them really going on to make an impact at senior level

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Any lad good enough at 18 is chucked in at the deep end without tournament experience at younger age groups.

 

The successful countries don't do this, they try and win the younger tournaments with their best younger players and get a group playing together consistently.

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They got to the final

Yep, look at the team, they are all physical players, big lads.

 

Same as the biggest kids being picked at U11, once everyone else catches up they aren't so good.

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Was our team selected by Pearce? More of an indictment of him.

Depends what the alternatives were, if that's the best if he had then not much he can do, don't think there's players he omitted who went on to senior squad, is there?

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I was thinking Our Gaz who is first choice CB for England by a considerable margin, didn't play much for the U21s, Lallana?

Cahill was 23 then fwiw and probably spent most of his eligible time loaned out in lower leagues, whilst lallana was 21 and league one

 

Be interesting to know of that german team how many were top flight first team regulars by that point

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Michael Owen says these things:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/germany/10962088/World-Cup-2014-Why-selfish-England-must-learn-from-selfless-Germany.html

 

English football culture is selfish and there is an obsession with the individual

17-21 yr olds get no opportunity in the prem

No team ethic

 

That's my football post for the decade.

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Difference is, cunts like Wilshere and the Ox think the U21's is below them.

 

As soon as they get 1 senior cap, they forget and abandon the youth setup

But they get managers/coaches like pearce/southgate telling them how to play when they have been coached by Wenger. All of a sudden it's no longer pass and move but having Phil Jones as your captain sat next to you in centre midfield

 

Story on talksport midweek was about Bobby Robson, who never picked Glenn Hoddle because he wouldn't track back. That underlies what English football is trying to recover from (not just Robson by the way)

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