Bradford Fire

[C86]

We played them (Bradford) the week before, think they got promoted(?).

[no balls]

I watched the interview on the news this morning.

I'm calling bullshit

[HR]

How is an insurance payout worth more when its full of people? If your going to burn it down just torch it in the middle of the night local recycling centre stylee.

[freds dad]

How is an insurance payout worth more when its full of people? If your going to burn it down just torch it in the middle of the night local recycling centre stylee.

There may be a claim for damages from people affected by the fire so this may increase the payout. The person claiming would also say that it is more likely to happen when it's full of people due to folk smoking etc.

[Whites man]

There may be a claim for damages from people affected by the fire so this may increase the payout. The person claiming would also say that it is more likely to happen when it's full of people due to folk smoking etc.

You think like a criminal Fred's dad.

[COYW]

How is an insurance payout worth more when its full of people? If your going to burn it down just torch it in the middle of the night local recycling centre stylee.

 

I think it's unlikely it was started deliberately. Someone would have to deliberately drop a lighted cigarette into an area which they knew to be full of flammable material and then not bother raising the alarm knowing that the whole thing was going to go up. I'm not sure they'd have been making these allegations if he was still alive.

[COYW]

We played them (Bradford) the week before, think they got promoted(?).

 

We did. They brought loads and there was loads of crowd trouble.

[C86]

We did. They brought loads and there was loads of crowd trouble.

 

Yep, even at 10 in the morning.

[MalcolmW]

There may be a claim for damages from people affected by the fire so this may increase the payout. The person claiming would also say that it is more likely to happen when it's full of people due to folk smoking etc.

 

The total payout would not be made to the owner, rather the damages claims would be dealt with if and when they arose.

 

And on Radio 4 this morning the coroner said as the stand was due to be demolished in the following week it's insurance value was virtually nil.

[Whites man]

 

 

And on Radio 4 this morning the coroner said as the stand was due to be demolished in the following week it's insurance value was virtually nil.

 

I have never heard that before, could you look into it Agent Malcolm?

[MickyD]

Would it have been beyond the realms of possibility that, if he had decided to set his own fire, which I doubt, that he could have done it after the last person left thus destroying the stand without the danger to life?

[COYW]

The author of the book is on Talksport sometime between 3-4pm this afternoon.

[frank_spencer]

The author of the book is on Talksport sometime between 3-4pm this afternoon.

So he'll not get to say owt important in between the presenters saying something controversial to get white van man to phone in complaining about pashun and adverts for PPI and ambulance chasing legal firms

[COYW]

So he'll not get to say owt important in between the presenters saying something controversial to get white van man to phone in complaining about pashun and adverts for PPI and ambulance chasing legal firms

 

He's on H&J not Durham's show.

[Spider]

Having listened to the author, it sounds to me like he simply wants to shift a lot of books.

 

He's walking on relatively thick ice since this man is dead and he knows no investigation will happen.

 

Normally, I'd call the guy a chancer and a cunt but in this case he's lost 3 members of his family in horrific circumstances and that wouldn't be fair. Clearly this will never be be something he can get over and this book is part of a lifelong sentence of grief.

 

Poor bastard.

[Carlos]

He hasn't made any wild claims, all he's done is some research that it appears has never been done before. He states himself it's all publically available information.

[COYW]

Having listened to the author, it sounds to me like he simply wants to shift a lot of books.

 

He's walking on relatively thick ice since this man is dead and he knows no investigation will happen.

 

Normally, I'd call the guy a chancer and a cunt but in this case he's lost 3 members of his family in horrific circumstances and that wouldn't be fair. Clearly this will never be be something he can get over and this book is part of a lifelong sentence of grief.

 

Poor bastard.

 

He lost four members of his family not three. Dad, brother, uncle and grandad.

 

If you think he's making these statements because he knows no investigation will happen, then you must have missed the bit where he said that these questions should have been asked at the time and he wishes that the chairman was here to answer them today.

 

If he thought the questions should have been asked at the time then presumably he still thinks they should be asked now. Perhaps that's why he's written a book detailing his research.

[captainmed]

I was in that same stand watching us around 3/4 months previous to the fire.

 

A delapidated wood shed, that's all.......

[COYW]

I think that terracing at Notts County was made of wood. Think it was called the Cow Shed or summat. 

[Whites man]

Wood terrace at Preston at that time too.

[magic legs]

Thirty years on, I have seen a fire report submitted by the Timber Research and Development Association, the one independent body to carry out an inspection of Valley Parade’s main stand before the tragedy, that concluded it was “extremely unlikely that a small source of ignition on its own, say a cigarette in a plastic cup, could have been the primary cause”. The association felt so strongly about it this entire passage was underlined in black.

 

(Link also starts with piece about Blackpool)

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/may/02/karl-oyston-blackpool-tangerine-nightmare-stan-mortenson

[Ani]

Thirty years on, I have seen a fire report submitted by the Timber Research and Development Association, the one independent body to carry out an inspection of Valley Parade’s main stand before the tragedy, that concluded it was “extremely unlikely that a small source of ignition on its own, say a cigarette in a plastic cup, could have been the primary cause”. The association felt so strongly about it this entire passage was underlined in black.

(Link also starts with piece about Blackpool)

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/may/02/karl-oyston-blackpool-tangerine-nightmare-stan-mortenson

They have just been talking it on the radio, John Helm who was commentating on the day and is local was on.

 

He mentioned something I never knew. The police interviewed a man after the game who was having a smoke, dropped his fag and it started the fire, he tried to put it out by pouring coffee on it, did not work, he went off to find a steward, this was backed up by the mans son and a number of bystanders. At first it was just a load of smoke did not realise what was going to happen.

 

The police never publicised this or the mans name because it would not have helped it is only because of recent stories this has come out more. I assume this was made known to the inquiry.

 

I lived in Bradford at the time and for next 10 years or so and never heard 1 person come out with any such comments.

[COYW]

If they can't be '100% certain', surely they shouldn't be naming the bloke, dead or not:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32701040

[MalcolmW]

If they can't be '100% certain', surely they shouldn't be naming the bloke, dead or not:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32701040

 

and the information certainly have been put before the inquest/inquiry.

It is not for the Police to decide to suppress evidence.

[MickyD]

This is Yorkshire though.