little whitt Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 VW if you have one you may need a new MOT bet there's more out there Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 22, 2015 Site Supporter Posted September 22, 2015 I heard rumours of people setting fire to them to avoid any hassle Quote
Moderators Carlos Posted September 22, 2015 Moderators Posted September 22, 2015 They'll be brilliant in F1, getting the practice in now. Quote
no balls Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I don't think mine will be emitting much out of it again Quote
Underpants Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I find this story absolutely staggering. Up there with the bank scandals. Quote
dave2980 Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 Fuck the MOT I'm more concerned about my taxes going up Quote
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 22, 2015 Site Supporter Posted September 22, 2015 Fuck the MOT I'm more concerned about my taxes going up Indeed, quite happy at thirty quid a year at the moment Quote
MancWanderer Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I find this story absolutely staggering. Up there with the bank scandals. Yep!! This is going to run. Audi next?? Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 22, 2015 Site Supporter Posted September 22, 2015 Yep!! This is going to run. Audi next?? You're taking the piss, right? Quote
e2e4 Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 I find this story absolutely staggering. Up there with the bank scandals. " VW is rumored to be facing $18 billion in fines. HSBC's money laundering schemes for violent cartels resulted in only a $1.9 billion fine." Nine times worse. Them AGW-ers have a good scam going on. Quote
Members bolty58 Posted September 23, 2015 Members Posted September 23, 2015 You're taking the piss, right? He isn't! Rumoured to be spread across their entire group of companies including the motorcycle and truck builders. Marques such as:- Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Ducati, MAN, Scania, Porsche, Skoda etc. If this technology has been spread around the group, this could be bigger than gigantic. Quote
Dan.m Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 I bet they're not the only manufacturer doing it either (I.e not just VW group) Quote
Maggie Tate Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 All reinforcing of course the ever more obvious reality that the amount of man-made Co2 in the atmosphere doesn't make a fraction of the difference to the climate than has been previously assumed. The greens have been crowing for some years now about how Co2 emissions are down due to Obama's tough regulations for the car industries and the advent of greener technologies. But now we see the VW fraud and let's assume it isn't limited to them - so Co2 should still be rising. The primary effect of which is that the now 19 year flat-lining of global temperatures is even more profound. There is more Co2 up there than assumed and the climate is not responding in the way Al Gore tells you it should be. Funny old thing eh? Quote
Whites man Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 All the scientists says it does. A few mentals on the internet says it doesn't. Quote
Maggie Tate Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 No they don't. Read more stuff. Start here http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/ Quote
SatanGreavsie Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 All reinforcing of course the ever more obvious reality that the amount of man-made Co2 in the atmosphere doesn't make a fraction of the difference to the climate than has been previously assumed. The greens have been crowing for some years now about how Co2 emissions are down due to Obama's tough regulations for the car industries and the advent of greener technologies. But now we see the VW fraud and let's assume it isn't limited to them - so Co2 should still be rising. The primary effect of which is that the now 19 year flat-lining of global temperatures is even more profound. There is more Co2 up there than assumed and the climate is not responding in the way Al Gore tells you it should be. Funny old thing eh? The fraud is about NOx emissions not CO2 though isn't it? Quote
MancWanderer Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 You're taking the piss, right? Nope!!! As Bolty says it's rumoured to spread across the whole VW group and the software that they used is seemingly known about by other manufacturers as well Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 23, 2015 Site Supporter Posted September 23, 2015 Nope!!! As Bolty says it's rumoured to spread across the whole VW group and the software that they used is seemingly known about by other manufacturers as well Whooosh Vw = Audi Audi = VW Quote
Maggie Tate Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 The fraud is about NOx emissions not CO2 though isn't it? 2 parts Co2 molecules created by every 4 parts molecules of NOx. So sort of. Quote
MancWanderer Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 Whooosh Vw = Audi Audi = VW OK. Fair enough. I'd got that bit. The original report applied only to VW branded cars with the exception of the Audi A3. What I meant was that I can see it spreading across the other marques/brands and other countries. I just couldn't be arsed typing it all out. Which I've just done now. Lazy knob!! Me, not you!! Quote
MalcolmW Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 No they don't. Read more stuff. Start here http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/ Has Corbyn anything to say about this? (Piers, not Jeremy) Quote
SatanGreavsie Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 2 parts Co2 molecules created by every 4 parts molecules of NOx. So sort of. NOx can't create CO2 though except through the action of a catalytic convertor; thus the more NOx you get shut of maybe the more CO2 is produced - but if you're not getting shut of it you're not producing? The CO2 output would be measured and would be the same irrespective of how inaccurate the NOx reading was? The issue would only arise if measured CO2 outputs were fiddled. Once put into the atmosphere NOx cannot form CO2 Quote
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