Members bolty58 Posted October 22, 2015 Members Posted October 22, 2015 Plenty of coverage down here as Australia has recently been through a similar process in establishing a free trade agreement with China. Obviously the steel industry is suffering especially with the Chinese dumping 300 million tonnes plus of cheap steel into Europe but, a few human rights issues and unprofitable dinosaurs aside (no doubt Jeremy will want to give the latter CPR if he can), surely the majority of Britons see the sense in signing trade deals with a quarter of the worlds population? This would then beg the question, do we really need to be in the EU? Quote
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 22, 2015 Site Supporter Posted October 22, 2015 Would imagine that we'd achieve more success in improving their human rights by increasing trade, cultural changes will follow. Some security issues perhaps need sorting but I'm sure the government isn't going to leave us wide open. Like you say, there's a decent chance we'll be out of the EU soon, so maybe this is in their minds Quote
Sweep Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Some security issues perhaps need sorting but I'm sure the government isn't going to leave us wide open. This is the only real concern for me, I deal with China everyday of the week, and they are fucking good......and generally getting better at understanding what we want/need here in the West. The big issue though is IP theft, and I have seen several cases of this over the years. Trying to chase down these companies and shut them down is nigh on impossible. Also, trying to move stuff from one Chinese province to another is becoming more and more difficult with ridiculous "inter province" taxes, again this makes dealing with several companies across China, on a single project very challenging. I've even been sat in a car whilst we "smuggled" goods from one province to another in order to avoid paying some tax. It's a crazy, crazy place......but they've got all the money, and we need to be friends with them Quote
C86 Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 "non-european" steel = high sulphur content, ticking timebomb. Quote
no balls Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Like that deviant Sweep, I deal with China on a daily basis and get frustrated with their pointless bureaucratic taxes though unlike Sweep I find them annoying cunts and the least easy to deal with. Give me a Bangladeshi or Indonesian any day over the Chinese computer says no mentality. I'm currently looking to move some production out of China as costs are spiralling, they're pretty much a 1st world country now. As infuriating as their bureaucracy is I think our country need to be looking after our interests in the way they do theirs. We do have some UK manufacturing incentives, but need to up this. I'm not saying prop up unprofitable companies and trades but at least a bit of help. On the EU question, personally I don't have any work dealings so am probably not pro as it don't see the benefits in my working life. Selfish bitch, I know. Quote
Members bolty58 Posted October 22, 2015 Author Members Posted October 22, 2015 "non-european" steel = high sulphur content, ticking timebomb. Have to say mate, the worst 'bad steel' experience I have had was with some forgings bought from a Dutch company called van Schaewen. Caused us untold problems down here and once we traced everything back, the fucking stuff was from Romania! Dodgy material certificates, the lot. Quote
Guest Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 China? No choice, really EU? No need to be in, correct Quote
kent_white Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 So does this mean Communism does work or it doesn't? ;-) Quote
no balls Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 So does this mean Communism does work or it doesn't? ;-) it depends if your common or garden commie's aim in life is to drive a rangie and send their kids to private school Quote
Ghana White Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 They're a funny one China. They've just given their version of the Nobel peace prize to Robert mugabe so they must have a sense of humour. We've probably got no choice but to get into bed with them, it feels like were renationalising the country but not to our own though. Quote
Guest Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 So does this mean Communism does work or it doesn't? ;-) Communism can't work Quote
birch-chorley Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Think this deal can only be a good thing, like it is with any money coming in from foreign shores But then again I wouldn't be fussed if we sold Hyde park to developers, ha ha Still prefer us to be part of the EU though, Why is it one or the other? I see that the Indian PM is coming over to the UK next for a similar visit I work for an Indian owned company and the talk is that the population of India will overtake China by either 2020 or 2030 (I forget which) That's another one we should be building trade relations with as well Edited October 22, 2015 by birch-chorley Quote
kent_white Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Or is this all economic sabre rattling prior to trying to renegotiate terms with the EU. Whichever way you dress it up - we're going cap in hand to the Commies. If this were Corbyn I predict the board would be in meltdown. Quote
Moderators Carlos Posted October 22, 2015 Moderators Posted October 22, 2015 I dunno but building a nuclear reactor, more than a sabre? Quote
Members bolty58 Posted October 22, 2015 Author Members Posted October 22, 2015 Communism can't work Kent knows this - just as the ruling party in China do. Repress human aspiration and you get a bag of shit. Set it free and you boom. No greater example than 'communist' China. Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Is it true that we're getting the steel for the new HS2 from China, whilst our own steel industry in Scunthorpe has just gone to the wall? Someone mentioned it to me the other day & I don't know anything about it to have passed comment at the time. Quote
Members bolty58 Posted October 22, 2015 Author Members Posted October 22, 2015 Think this deal can only be a good thing, like it is with any money coming in from foreign shores But then again I wouldn't be fussed if we sold Hyde park to developers, ha ha Still prefer us to be part of the EU though, Why is it one or the other? I see that the Indian PM is coming over to the UK next for a similar visit I work for an Indian owned company and the talk is that the population of India will overtake China by either 2020 or 2030 (I forget which) That's another one we should be building trade relations with as well Been hearing that India is the 'next cab off the rank' in the boom stakes for over a decade now. Probably right but don't hold your breath. No one said 'one or the other' regarding China v the EU. I think most want to fuck Brussels bureaucracy and Mediterranean meanderers right off and will if they are given the chance. Quote
Moderators Casino Posted October 22, 2015 Moderators Posted October 22, 2015 25000 jobs isnt it and the lefties are moaning about 20% of that going in the steelworks Quote
Moderators Casino Posted October 22, 2015 Moderators Posted October 22, 2015 anyway, steel production in the uk has been on its last legs since the 1970s hasnt it wasnt it nationwide who had that ticker running one night to show how many millions BS was losing in an hour? its a small world now for manufacturers we cant sell commodity products with our high cost base Quote
Members bolty58 Posted October 22, 2015 Author Members Posted October 22, 2015 Whichever way you dress it up - we're going cap in hand to the Commies. If this were Corbyn I predict the board would be in meltdown. Christ you post some drivel sometimes. I wonder if your beloved Karl, Vladimir or Leon would describe modern day China as 'communist'? Would they bollocks. They'd be exhorting the peasants to rise up and overthrow the elite. Quote
Members bolty58 Posted October 22, 2015 Author Members Posted October 22, 2015 anyway, steel production in the uk has been on its last legs since the 1970s hasnt it wasnt it nationwide who had that ticker running one night to show how many millions BS was losing in an hour? its a small world now for manufacturers we cant sell commodity products with our high cost base Correct on all points. Quote
bgoefc Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Funny place China. Only works because of the order that communism brings imo. They get on with things because they don't waste time fucking about politically every 5 years. They have obedience genetically imprinted on the brain. Goes to show that there is a much larger market outside the EU. Quote
bgoefc Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 anyway, steel production in the uk has been on its last legs since the 1970s hasnt it wasnt it nationwide who had that ticker running one night to show how many millions BS was losing in an hour? its a small world now for manufacturers we cant sell commodity products with our high cost base Plus they have plenty of iron ore and loads of coal which they don't give a fuck about burning. Quote
C86 Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Have to say mate, the worst 'bad steel' experience I have had was with some forgings bought from a Dutch company called van Schaewen. Caused us untold problems down here and once we traced everything back, the fucking stuff was from Romania! Dodgy material certificates, the lot. A couple of large motorway bridges around here needed there bearing plate replacing not long after they were installed due to the high sulphur content. I've been out of the game for 13 years so back then Romania etc. weren't in the EEC. Don't get me going on test certs, QA could dig one up for any steel you wanted. Another reason I won't go on certain "funfair rides" too. Edited October 22, 2015 by C86 Quote
kent_white Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Christ you post some drivel sometimes. I wonder if your beloved Karl, Vladimir or Leon would describe modern day China as 'communist'? Would they bollocks. They'd be exhorting the peasants to rise up and overthrow the elite. Pilkington, Impaler and Montana? I'm no IT expert, but I'm classing that as a unit of data that is eight binary digits in length. Quote
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