nottinghamtrotter Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 On a few threads the debate get triggered if NL is the right man for the job / should he be immune from criticism, given all the circumstances. I was and still am in the "NL will come good camp" but after watching (yes from my armchair) the dross on Saturday had a first moment of doubt. Key question I reckon is even accepting the dire finances, if we had a proven Championship manager at the helm would he get more out of the current crop of players than NL does - the squad on paper at least isn't bottom 3 is it, or am I deluded? No point looking back but if Gartside's bingo machine had come up with say Chris Hughton or even Neil Warnock can't help but think the table would be different now, even if the players weren't. NLSWA........and praying for miracle. Quote
birch-chorley Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 would have been a different story if Scott Green had got it Quote
Moderators Carlos Posted November 2, 2015 Moderators Posted November 2, 2015 We should have got Big Mick. Quote
jturner Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I don't think you are deluded about the quality of our players, I also think they are better than the league position. We have some highly paid (by Div 2 standards) players in Wheater, Pratley, Spearing and Mark Davies.Some Div 2 clubs wouldn't be able to afford them.The summer recruitment for the striker's positions was terrible, even with low funds the scouting system should have come up with better than Madine.Even so, with a good keeper, expensive central defenders and expensive central midfielders we shouldn't be in the position we are.Its too early to sack Lennon now but i think if he still has us in the bottom 3 going into the New Year a decision needs to be made.I think someone experienced like Neil Warnock would get these players out of the relegation zone.Lennon is a likeable man but we can't allow him to relegate us with a squad that should stay up. Quote
Dr Faustus Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 We should have got Big Mick. Anewerman But I take your point ???? Quote
Underpants Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 If? If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle. We've got NL. We've got no money. We've got a massive debt. We've got a chairman that most don't want. We've got a squad playing dire football. I find it's better working with facts. Throw all that in a mixing pot I still come out on NL side. I expect nothing to change anytime soon. Quote
Eavesy Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 The most frustrating thing about this is Lennon has shown he is capable with this group of players. We played well at the start of the season against Derby and burton and forest. Created chances, looked solid at the back, looked like we knew what we were doing. Results didn't come and he panicked. Some how he has seriously unravelled it since then. Frigging about with 3 at the back was the start of it. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Unless Lennon seriously loses his way we should not get rid, I feel were close to turning it round and with a goalscorer we would turn it round much quicker. Quote
tomski Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 The most frustrating thing about this is Lennon has shown he is capable with this group of players. We played well at the start of the season against Derby and burton and forest. Created chances, looked solid at the back, looked like we knew what we were doing. Results didn't come and he panicked. Some how he has seriously unravelled it since then. Frigging about with 3 at the back was the start of it. This is the bit I don't get. I genuinely thought we were a striker away from being good, now I think we need a striker plus another 10 Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I don't think you are deluded about the quality of our players, I also think they are better than the league position. We have some highly paid (by Div 2 standards) players in Wheater, Pratley, Spearing and Mark Davies.Some Div 2 clubs wouldn't be able to afford them.The summer recruitment for the striker's positions was terrible, even with low funds the scouting system should have come up with better than Madine.Even so, with a good keeper, expensive central defenders and expensive central midfielders we shouldn't be in the position we are. Its too early to sack Lennon now but i think if he still has us in the bottom 3 going into the New Year a decision needs to be made.I think someone experienced like Neil Warnock would get these players out of the relegation zone. Lennon is a likeable man but we can't allow him to relegate us with a squad that should stay up. FFS, it's the Championship. It's not been Division 2 for over two decades! Quote
tomski Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) FFS, it's the Championship. It's not been Division 2 for over two decades!I like it being referred to in old money per se. Edited November 2, 2015 by tomski Quote
Dr Faustus Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 FFS, it's the Championship. It's not been Division 2 for over two decades! I reckon wages may be around those of 25 years ago... Maybe I'm deluded, but I still think a goal off someone's arse might change the season. We are low. Maybe, if (not when) something falls our way, we will relax; confidence will grow, breeding success. As I say, maybe deluded, but whilst disappointed, and concerned, I'm not panicking just yet. COYWM Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I reckon wages may be around those of 25 years ago... Maybe I'm deluded, but I still think a goal off someone's arse might change the season. We are low. Maybe, if (not when) something falls our way, we will relax; confidence will grow, breeding success. As I say, maybe deluded, but whilst disappointed, and concerned, I'm not panicking just yet. COYWM I agree. We just need a win from somewhere. Draws do not exactly breed confidence, and although it was shit on Saturday I'm hoping that will be a platform we can build a 1-0 on. Quote
famouswanderer Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 We won against wolves. That didn't turn our season. Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 We won against wolves. That didn't turn our season. True, but we usually beat those shit bastards. Quote
Breightmet Boy Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 If? If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle. We've got NL. We've got no money. We've got a massive debt. We've got a chairman that most don't want. We've got a squad playing dire football. I find it's better working with facts. Throw all that in a mixing pot I still come out on NL side. I expect nothing to change anytime soon. Things might change if Lennon can get those facts out of the players heads, whatever is happening in the boardroom should be irrelevant to the performances of the individuals and it's the managers job to get the teamwork, focus and tactics right to start a run. Fingers n toes crossed he does it. Quote
e2e4 Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Start worrying if he starts wearing shorts when it's freezin' . Quote
frank_spencer Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 The one plus I'm clinging on to is that it's still so close down there. So many clubs all within a few points. If we'd been cut a drift that's when to really start worrying. Quote
madthatter Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 The one plus I'm clinging on to is that it's still so close down there. So many clubs all within a few points. If we'd been cut a drift that's when to really start worrying. Aye - whilst we looked very bad attacking wise on Sat, I thought overall we had a touch more about us than them. We're missing a couple of decent creative players through injuries, and if luck had been a bit more on our side (e.g. Derby game) we could well have 3 - 5 more points in the bag. Not exactly lots to shout about but I think we will be OK. Honestly think things will only get better. Not ripping up trees but enough to stay up. Can't see anyone else doing that much better tbh. Sacking Lennon would be cutting off our noses . . . Quote
whiteboy Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Have to say i'm a bit worried by the constant meddling with the shape of the team. The disastrous 3-5-2 at Boro, the diamond at MK, the shambles on Saturday. This may have worked in the pub league but clearly isn't at present. Quote
mickbrown Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Things might change if Lennon can get those facts out of the players heads, whatever is happening in the boardroom should be irrelevant to the performances of the individuals and it's the managers job to get the teamwork, focus and tactics right to start a run. Fingers n toes crossed he does it. It's not though is it? It never is. The fact is that clubs that don't invest, slide down the leagues. Always been the case. Why should we be different? If we get no investment we will eventually get relegated. Nailed on fact with a big fat cherry on the top Quote
Moderators Zico Posted November 3, 2015 Moderators Posted November 3, 2015 Unless Lennon seriously loses his way we should not get rid, I feel were close to turning it round and with a goalscorer we would turn it round much quicker. how would you measure having seriously lost his way? not convinced we're any closer with goals in us - we scored 3 against QPR and still conceded 4 and I doubt a goal scorer of any decent level could have made a difference V PNE we arguably got better results/played better last season when we had C Davies up top, as opposed to ALF making all the difference he just needs to figure out what got us playing well initially under his reign, and go back to, seemingly, basics - unless it was just that usual boost a new manager gives you, regardless of their ability Clough back in the team performing like he was last season would be nice as well, as no doubt that would help on the goals scored front Quote
Cinnykid Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 A goalscorer wouldn't change much as we don't create clear cut chances, forget the debt and state of the club, the style of football is dire, way to slow and too many sideways/backwards passes what happened to the high intensity football he promised us. Would like a change before we get cut adrift Quote
Ani Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 We need some players in, sacking the manager means less money for those players so for me it is not an option. Mentioned elsewhere but how much is Mjalabbly missed (or how often is his name spelt wrong ?) For me the sign of a struggling manager is when no one knows the best 11 or even best formation. Amos in goal Casano at left back Wheater on of the centre halves but after that there is not one position that everyone would agree on. Pratley plays but where in midfield ? Mavies the same. Feeney for me has to play right side of midfield, up front does not work but that seems to get changes round. Ameobi from the leeds games in , ameobi from Preston out. Madine never looks like scoring and maybe Clayton alongside a big one is an option, but do we play 442 or 451 ? We do need to start playing to some kind of structure/plan but because there was nothing at Preston to indicate we were anything like near good enough. Quote
Ani Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 A goalscorer wouldn't change much as we don't create clear cut chances, forget the debt and state of the club, the style of football is dire, way to slow and too many sideways/backwards passes what happened to the high intensity football he promised us. Would like a change before we get cut adrift Was going to same on my post above, the most annoying thing for me is how little we press the ball in the opposition half, I keep saying this but we are too easy to play against, we let teams stroll into our half and then defend from there. I actually think we defend from there quite well but eventually teams are going to get in due to brilliance/luck/mistake whatever. Watching the Premier league games the teams work miles harder than we do without possession. Summed up by the Preston keep being able on 4 or 5 occasions to just chip the ball out to the guy on their right side just stood on his own. Quote
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