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7 minutes ago, Ani said:

Almost the definition of a front man. 

If you can be arsed go look up who funds him. 

Why the fuck was he in America?

Its virtually impossible to get there at the minute.

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I'm much more a lurker than a poster on WWs, reading everyone's input and opinions with genuine interest and open mindedness. With that in mind I must say that I've come to the considered conclusion t

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I’m loving the hoo hah over Donald coming to the UK he should come 4-5 times a year just to wind up the nob head lefties. Good work Donald. ????

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Just now, royal white said:

I’m sure that Donald Trump is in a position where he can pull a few strings 

Seems a bit daft having to self isolate for 2 weeks just to make such a lukewarm speech

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2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Seems a bit daft having to self isolate for 2 weeks just to make such a lukewarm speech

The Don has donated a drop of his super healing blood. 
Farage will bring it home and cure all British people with it. 

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15 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Why is he so desperate for Trump to like him , he’s got gonna shag you Nige 

I reckon he might if he thought it would get him a second term. I also reckon he'd have him impaled on a spike on the White House lawn if that would work too! 😁

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20 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I reckon he might if he thought it would get him a second term. I also reckon he'd have him impaled on a spike on the White House lawn if that would work too! 😁

Lynne put Your foot on a spike!

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Biden and Trump in florida

 just when I thought that state couldn’t get more mental. 
Really important state Florida. 16k dead from Corona the third highest state behind Texas and Californi which will play a part.

It was close 4 years ago, Trump won it, and Trump needs to win it again. 

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if enough of his nutters get out in the key states this fucker can win again. He will win Flori-dur coz of all the retirees with money and the Cuban Exile votes (just has to appear tough on Castro to get them). Then he can say i support coal and fracking to win in Pennsylvania again. One thing against him is he is not up against Hilary this time so sleepy Joe should just about win.  After months of recounts and court cases

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Said I wouldn't revisit this thread until the election was over but this has to be posted. Not read one word above this post so will go back to leaving it alone until Biden is president.

 

Recommended reading is Donald Rumsfeld’s biography of Gerald Ford, titled ”When the Center Held.” It was written in 2018. The book clearly articulates that President Ford was a thoroughly good man, a special American, and a greatly underrated President.

 

HOWEVER, there was a story in the book that was startling.

 

In 1975, President Ford was left to manage the difficult ending of the Vietnam War. As North Vietnam seized on the opportunity to test American resolve following President Nixon’s resignation, President Ford went to Congress to ask for a relief package to push back on the North Vietnamese to allow American personnel and our allies to evacuate. However, there was one US Senator who opposed any such support. The result was the embarrassing and hurried evacuation from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon.

 

This senator reviled in the embarrassment and did everything he could to leverage it politically against Ford.

Despite the efforts of this U.S .Senator--President Ford managed to rescue 1,500 South Vietnamese allies prior to the country’s fall. Had President Ford not acted quickly, these people would have been targeted and slaughtered for their support for America. Saving them was a moral obligation.

 

When they arrived in America, President Ford asked Congress for a package to assist these refugees integrate into American society. But that troublesome US Senator showed up again and torpedoed any support for these shell shocked refugees. Instead, President Ford had to recruit Christian organizations to offer assistance on a voluntary basis. As he did so, the aforementioned Senator belittled those efforts.

 

What kind of person would oppose President Ford’s tireless work to do the right and humanitarian thing? Who would want to play politics with the well-being of innocent people who stood by America in the tragic Vietnam War?

 

That US Senator? Joe Biden.

 

Donald Trump isn't a saint and we all have issues with him. But the gushing and revisionist history over Joe Biden and his record is nauseating.

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36 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Said I wouldn't revisit this thread until the election was over but this has to be posted. Not read one word above this post so will go back to leaving it alone until Biden is president.

 

Recommended reading is Donald Rumsfeld’s biography of Gerald Ford, titled ”When the Center Held.” It was written in 2018. The book clearly articulates that President Ford was a thoroughly good man, a special American, and a greatly underrated President.

 

HOWEVER, there was a story in the book that was startling.

 

In 1975, President Ford was left to manage the difficult ending of the Vietnam War. As North Vietnam seized on the opportunity to test American resolve following President Nixon’s resignation, President Ford went to Congress to ask for a relief package to push back on the North Vietnamese to allow American personnel and our allies to evacuate. However, there was one US Senator who opposed any such support. The result was the embarrassing and hurried evacuation from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon.

 

This senator reviled in the embarrassment and did everything he could to leverage it politically against Ford.

Despite the efforts of this U.S .Senator--President Ford managed to rescue 1,500 South Vietnamese allies prior to the country’s fall. Had President Ford not acted quickly, these people would have been targeted and slaughtered for their support for America. Saving them was a moral obligation.

 

When they arrived in America, President Ford asked Congress for a package to assist these refugees integrate into American society. But that troublesome US Senator showed up again and torpedoed any support for these shell shocked refugees. Instead, President Ford had to recruit Christian organizations to offer assistance on a voluntary basis. As he did so, the aforementioned Senator belittled those efforts.

 

What kind of person would oppose President Ford’s tireless work to do the right and humanitarian thing? Who would want to play politics with the well-being of innocent people who stood by America in the tragic Vietnam War?

 

That US Senator? Joe Biden.

 

Donald Trump isn't a saint and we all have issues with him. But the gushing and revisionist history over Joe Biden and his record is nauseating.

You mean you’re not missing the echo chamber? 

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3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Said I wouldn't revisit this thread until the election was over but this has to be posted. Not read one word above this post so will go back to leaving it alone until Biden is president.

 

Recommended reading is Donald Rumsfeld’s biography of Gerald Ford, titled ”When the Center Held.” It was written in 2018. The book clearly articulates that President Ford was a thoroughly good man, a special American, and a greatly underrated President.

 

HOWEVER, there was a story in the book that was startling.

 

In 1975, President Ford was left to manage the difficult ending of the Vietnam War. As North Vietnam seized on the opportunity to test American resolve following President Nixon’s resignation, President Ford went to Congress to ask for a relief package to push back on the North Vietnamese to allow American personnel and our allies to evacuate. However, there was one US Senator who opposed any such support. The result was the embarrassing and hurried evacuation from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon.

 

This senator reviled in the embarrassment and did everything he could to leverage it politically against Ford.

Despite the efforts of this U.S .Senator--President Ford managed to rescue 1,500 South Vietnamese allies prior to the country’s fall. Had President Ford not acted quickly, these people would have been targeted and slaughtered for their support for America. Saving them was a moral obligation.

 

When they arrived in America, President Ford asked Congress for a package to assist these refugees integrate into American society. But that troublesome US Senator showed up again and torpedoed any support for these shell shocked refugees. Instead, President Ford had to recruit Christian organizations to offer assistance on a voluntary basis. As he did so, the aforementioned Senator belittled those efforts.

 

What kind of person would oppose President Ford’s tireless work to do the right and humanitarian thing? Who would want to play politics with the well-being of innocent people who stood by America in the tragic Vietnam War?

 

That US Senator? Joe Biden.

 

Donald Trump isn't a saint and we all have issues with him. But the gushing and revisionist history over Joe Biden and his record is nauseating.

Without doing any initial research I think what you’re referring to is the Vietnam refugee act. If you are this was voted against by two thirds of congress, including sen. Joe Biden.
 

So yeah that is true, however this was the end of the war and Ford was in charge of the hard task of withdrawing troops.

The south Vietnamese were allies to the US so, they could either flee as refugees or stay and be imprisoned or executed as enemies of the state. 

Now the act Ford put in place stipulated that in the event of rescuing or helping the refugees US soldiers they could use military force or being able to use US soldiers with withdraw them. 
Neither of these could be used because it risked starting the war up again. 


So it was voted against. 

Now a bit of in-depth research

A refugee act was passed, and rejected by two senators, Republican senators Jesse Helm (North Carolina) and William Scott (Virginia) whilst 20 votes abstained. 
 

Then a fund bill was passed to assist refugees of Vietnam and Cambodia. No money spent on military aid because the city of Saigon had already fallen. 

Then I found this out about a meeting at the White House.

“During the meeting, Senator Biden made only three brief statements. He complained that the State Department had not shown the evacuation plan. Biden wanted to separate the three issues mentioned earlier: (1) Evacuation of Americans; (2) Evacuation of Vietnamese; and (3) military aid. He wanted to focus immediately on the evacuation of Americans because it was easy and well prepared. Like most members of the U.S. Congress, Mr. Biden did not support military aid for Vietnam.

Mr. Biden said in his own words as follows: “We should focus on getting them out. Getting the Vietnamese out and military aid for the Government of Vietnam (GVN) are totally different.” A few minutes later he continued, "I don't want to have to vote to buy it all or not at all. I will vote for any amount for getting the Americans out. I don't want it mixed with getting the Vietnamese out.”

However, Jerry Dunleavy of The Washington Examiner newspaper twisted Mr. Biden's words by saying, “Biden said U.S. allies should not be rescued.” At the meeting, no one said anything like that.

Also at a meeting at the White House, President Ford was furious with Senator Claiborne Pell when he suggested settling Vietnamese people on Indonesia's Borneo Island. However, lacking a professional conscience, Dunleavy replaced Mr. Pell's statement with a previous statement from Mr. Biden that had nothing to do with the Vietnamese refugees' settlements:

“I will vote for any amount for getting the Americans out. I don't want it mixed with getting the Vietnamese out.”

Dunleavy deliberately wanted readers to misunderstand that Biden did not want to evacuate Vietnamese to the U.S. like other refugees in the past, and thus President Ford got upset at Mr. Biden and not Mr. Pell.”

Joe Biden didn’t vote against rescuing Vietnam refugees, he was in agreement that the soldiers shouldn’t be used and Fords initial bill was flawed.

 

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Go to Snopes and search "Did Joe Biden" then start the search.  There are plenty of accusations being hurled,  most found to be untrue. 

I wonder if this is a social media slur campaign. 

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39 minutes ago, MickyD said:

 

I wonder if this is a social media slur campaign. 

I'm sure it is.  The Trump interview posted on here the other day sums up his tactics.  Throw all sorts of false accusations and twisted narrative and then when challenged, shout "fake news", "look at the papers" etc. 

It's not a tactic exclusive to Trump, you see it all over politics now but it's worked for him up to now.

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It comes with the territory of an election campaign, unfortunately its more widespread and damaging than ever now with social media outlets. It’s propaganda, good to see Twitter and Facebook fact checking fake news ☺️

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