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We have 18 in 15 under Hill

Even repeating just 18 in the next 15 would see us still in the game

8 games to get 16 points would have us on 41 I think

It really isn't far fetched that we stay up

 

The unknowns are transfer success, injuries and further points deductions but we need to crack on

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2 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

So say we need the lowest total to stay up.

37 more points from 23 games 

That’s got to be 11 wins at least 

Not happening 

and that’s before any further points deduction 

 

It’s not happening 

unless he gets lucky with some loans but I’m not convinced on his approach to defending, the lad who posted hills goals conceded at Rochdale didn’t make good reading 

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5 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

So say we need the lowest total to stay up.

37 more points from 23 games 

That’s got to be 11 wins at least 

Not happening 

and that’s before any further points deduction 

 

2 less games this season

Could well be less than 44

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6 minutes ago, Casino said:

2 less games this season

Could well be less than 44

Fair point that

I just don’t think we will have it in us sadly. We can’t have a spectacular January for obvious reasons and I think we’ll always have a drinker in us

Happy to be proven wrong of course 

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You may well be right

I just think it's miles easier going forward if we can stay up this year and I'll be gutted if we don't try

And I'm not trying to set Hill up for a fall

I'm not asking much

If my sums are right, it's 34 needed from 23 then we see where we are

1.5 per game

Win at home, lose away....ish

 

 

I do fear a further points penalty, after which all bets are off, however I'd expect we have made it clear to the league that overturning the decision of their independent commission will see court action taken against them, so who knows

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2 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

A glorious failure might be the best thing all round. Not often teams go in to a lower division with a whole load of momentum behind them. 

That’s one of the most important things for me - stay up or not
Got to keep it going as long as poss to keep the fans and players interested and positivity into next season 

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Should probably concentrate on the here and now but my main worry is carrying on as we are, KH becoming toxic but leading us in L2 cos he has a record  of getting promoted from there and it all being a replay of the last few years at a lower level.

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10 hours ago, jules_darby said:

That’s one of the most important things for me - stay up or not
Got to keep it going as long as poss to keep the fans and players interested and positivity into next season 

Me too. And im liking casino"s positivity.  But part of me feels it might be under estimating Hilly"s job.

Stay up or go down though lets hope we still have the all in it together attitude we need. Its why i think its unfair for some of the criticism  of Hilly thats started and why someone like Wheater could help this season. Up and at em!

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14 hours ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Would we not be better using Zouma/Edwards/Senior/Brockbank and giving them the experience, that would be more like building for the future rather than topping up a retirement fund.

But Hill doesnt want to use them.  He wants to use Wright and a 5.5" midfielder instead.  So Wheater is a far better alternative to either of them, he isnt an alternative to young defenders. 

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9 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

But Hill doesnt want to use them.  He wants to use Wright and a 5.5" midfielder instead.  So Wheater is a far better alternative to either of them, he isnt an alternative to young defenders. 

I’d have Wheater back with a view to him getting involved in coaching defence, seems Hill and Flircroft can’t do that job so getting him back as player coach makes sense. 

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7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’d have Wheater back with a view to him getting involved in coaching defence, seems Hill and Flircroft can’t do that job so getting him back as player coach makes sense. 

He strikes me as the hill way or no way 

but yes wheater may want to go down that road of coaching and if so good place to start 

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Happy to have Wheater back if it happens particularly at this level. We wouldn’t of been complaining about him if he hadn’t of gone to Oldham in the first place so no idea why people have an issue with him now 

re: Hill, yes he is hamstrung with his options at the minute but some of his decisions are bizarre. For me, he talks a better game than he’s showing at the min. 
 

he talked about getting the side buying in to how they work with and without the ball. Well, without the ball we’ve been abysmal in the last 5-6 weeks. So they’re either a) not yet getting it or b) doing it but it’s not good enough 

gossip about Clough too. I’d have him back 100%. With Crawford out I’d rather have Clough playing behind Murphy than Darcy. Darcy has some decent potential and could be a very good asset. What he lacks at the minute is creating opportunities and finishing. Clough pips him there so even if they’re marginal improvements, they’re what we need to turn results in our favour 

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When you work on playing without the ball, it’s about shape, communication, when to go when to stay, when to press when to drop off, that all goes out of the cunting window when we go down to ten bastard men

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47 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’d have Wheater back with a view to him getting involved in coaching defence, seems Hill and Flircroft can’t do that job so getting him back as player coach makes sense. 

That's an option I thought about too, we definitely need someone to help coach our defense.

I always thought it was a good idea to build your team from the back first to make you more solid and hard to beat, we seem to be building from the front first.

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22 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

When you work on playing without the ball, it’s about shape, communication, when to go when to stay, when to press when to drop off, that all goes out of the cunting window when we go down to ten bastard men

It's easier to maintain it though if you bring on defensively-minded reinforcements to give yourself a bit of structure.

Hill didn't do that. Instead, he went very gung-ho. 

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2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It's easier to maintain it though if you bring on defensively-minded reinforcements to give yourself a bit of structure.

Hill didn't do that. Instead, he went very gung-ho. 

Yeah his decisions at times have me scratching my head 

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Hill said when he came, he wanted to play attacking football. I think we have seen that through formations, however we need to keep the ball better and make more chances, in addition to being better organized at the back.

If the latter gets sorted, I'm sure a bit more confidence would emerge that we can dominate and win games more comfortably than at the moment.

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