Mounts Kipper Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Mike Smith has no intention of running BWFC? His aim is for the club to be run by the ST. He himself has said that. Wouldn't think that's happening unless club goes bust and even then it would be short term until someone with where with all to fund the club was found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) So the Trust are there in case we go bust as a safety net. Currently only thing that is stopping us going bust is KA. He certainly is not taking millions out at moment. If in the longer term he turns us into a profitable business pretty sure we would agree he deserves to make some money. Most of what people post on this is speculation. One of the few facts is that we are in a lot better position in terms of the league that most people expected 12 months ago. So given the Trust are the safety net in case it goes tits up and we seem to heading in right direction they need to support the club. It was widely reporting we were losing nearly £1m a month a year ago so about £10m a year. KA saying £5m been saved along with winning promotion. Surely the Trust can come out and say well done Ken ? Until they do IMO they will come across as having a hidden agenda. Edited July 8, 2017 by Ani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Wouldn't think that's happening unless club goes bust and even then it would be short term until someone with where with all to fund the club was found. If someone has the cash then they will buy us outright, before we go into administration, for not much money. The trust cannot prop us up because they have no money, the idea that they would facilitate in finding a new investor is also bollocks. They are a pointless none entity that at no point could be in a position to help the club out, they are currently just a group of a few men that have fantasy ideas and are annoying the one man that is in a position to turn things round, slowly but surely. I honestly don't understand why they're being given the time of day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted July 8, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 8, 2017 The thing that gets to me is they call themselves the ST. Did they lobby any of their members before they make these decisions? To me they appear to be a few unelected blokes claiming to be speaking on behalf of the supporters when going off the opinions on here they are absolutely not. If I was Ken I'd ban the fucking lot of them from the stadium along with Iles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 The thing that gets to me is they call themselves the ST. Did they lobby any of their members before they make these decisions? To me they appear to be a few unelected blokes claiming to be speaking on behalf of the supporters when going off the opinions on here they are absolutely not. If I was Ken I'd ban the fucking lot of them from the stadium along with Iles Iles can't wait to post bad news. Wages not paid and the article is up there within minutes. Sign a new player or something good happens 'Will be in the paper some point this week'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) Theyre a set of cunts with few if any redeeming factors Who's a set of cunts? Izza and Smith? Or all the board or all the members? Anyhow I suppose whoever your talking about will be set of cunts until the day we might need them when you'll quickly change your tune. Sadly they'll have to take that flak until that day. Edited July 8, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Who's a set of cunts? Izza and Smith? Or all the board or all the members? Anyhow I suppose whoever your talking about will be set of cunts until the day we might need them when you'll quickly change your tune. Sadly they'll have to take that flak until that day. How will we need them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 How will we need them?If we did end up needing the ST I'd hope somebody far more competent came forward than the arses currently in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 How will we need them? Hopefully we won't but if we do it'll most likely to keep the club on life support while alternative owners are sort, if you look at Pompey their trust sought fans of high wealth to invest and stabilise the club and then look to bring in new owners, without their trust they might not be here today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) If we did end up needing the ST I'd hope somebody far more competent came forward than the arses currently in charge. There are some highly qualified folk on the Trust board, yes they've made mistakes and would admit that themselves but continue to offer their time and expertise for no financial reward to try to help the Trust and the club. The trust is not a closed shop anyone who wants to put themselves forward can do just that. Edited July 9, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebster Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 The ST simply do not represent the BWFC fans - end of. The majority of fans think that they are a complete & utter joke, they do not speak for the vast majority of BWFC fans - as others have said If I was KA I'd ban them as well. They are a very small group of unelected people who call themselves the BWST Most fans do not even know who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Hopefully we won't but if we do it'll most likely to keep the club on life support while alternative owners are sort, if you look at Pompey their trust sought fans of high wealth to invest and stabilise the club and then look to bring in new owners, without their trust they might not be here today. So why not just set the trust up at the time? Why do we need one now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 The ST simply do not represent the BWFC fans - end of. The majority of fans think that they are a complete & utter joke, they do not speak for the vast majority of BWFC fans - as others have said If I was KA I'd ban them as well. They are a very small group of unelected people who call themselves the BWST Most fans do not even know who they are. Granted there are a good number of fans with this view but there are many many fans who are members of the Trust who don't share your views, the Trust have better information than you on what fans views actually are your comments are most likely based on a less scientific method of fans views and opinions, the Trust does the surveys has that information to hand and attempts to collate this and use it to speak for the majority of fans. One question are you a member of the Trust? If not then how can the Trust take your opinion on board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) So why not just set the trust up at the time? Why do we need one now? Because if you don't have one in place when the shit hits the fan you won't have the time to set one up and be in a position do anything to help the club and in the worst case scenario the club would most likely cease to exist a receiver would sell all assets ( the stadium and car parks more valuable as retail space than a football and would be easy sell for the administrators) to recover debts they would not necessarily look to sell the club as a going concern. Edited July 9, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Because if you don't have one in place when the shit hits the fan you won't have the time to set one up to be in a position do anything to help the club. 9:01am - HMRC send in the heavy mob. 9:02am - the izza bloke phones his pals. 9:03am - the trust is set up. 9:04 - they realise they don't have any money to fund any losses or pay any wages. 9:05 - someone else buys the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebster Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Go on then Mounts, can you let us know what better information they have & what the fans views actually are. How many supporters / what % of fans have they spoken to and gathered opinions on what's important to the fans. I suspect that this poll is a more accurate reflection of the % of fans who actually support the trust & who doesn't. How can a group with support that I would guess at approx 5% of the fan base represent the Bolton Wanderers supporters. They represent a tiny minority of fans and have absolutely no mandate to claim represent the Bolton fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 9:01am - HMRC send in the heavy mob. 9:02am - the izza bloke phones his pals. 9:03am - the trust is set up. 9:04 - they realise they don't have any money to fund any losses or pay any wages. 9:05 - someone else buys the club. At 9.04 and 30 seconds someone offers the administrator 50 million to develop as a retail area, the club then fails to exist. Stick to cleaning windows. Edited July 9, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 At 9.04 and 30 seconds someone offers the administrator 50 million to develop as a retail area, the club then fails to exist. Stick to cleaning windows. What would the point in having a ground worth £50 million if we couldn't afford to run a football club from it? Nice job reference by the way mounts. Thought you were better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) Go on then Mounts, can you let us know what better information they have & what the fans views actually are. How many supporters / what % of fans have they spoken to and gathered opinions on what's important to the fans. I suspect that this poll is a more accurate reflection of the % of fans who actually support the trust & who doesn't. How can a group with support that I would guess at approx 5% of the fan base represent the Bolton Wanderers supporters. They represent a tiny minority of fans and have absolutely no mandate to claim represent the Bolton fans Not sure what the latest membership stands at but think it's 6-7000 fans which is 70% of the number our season ticket holders the trust send out surveys a few times a season and that's more representative of fans opinions than talking to a few lads at the match or in the pub, if you join your views are at least heard. I would encourage folk with the same opinion to join the trust and be heard it's free to join take the surveys a wider cross section of supporters opinions is needed. We all only want the same thing which is a better BWFC. Edited July 9, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebster Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 No way I'm having that they have 6-7,000 members !! A few thousand (me included) initially gave a £10 when they 1st set up after ED jacked in (before KA got involved) - many (me included) cancelled soon after a series of stupid, anti KA type statements that did not represent my views or opinion. I'd guess that they currently only have around 1,000 (max), who have continued to pay £10 a year - probably even less than that. They do more damage to the club than good and should disband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) What would the point in having a ground worth £50 million if we couldn't afford to run a football club from it? Nice job reference by the way mounts. Thought you were better than that. No one knows how it would transpire after administration it might all go tits up but at least every chance and every avenue might be explored to keep BWFC running. Apologies if window cleaning comment upset you it was meant more in jest as you might not know I also started my life cleaning windows but did not have the forethought or drive to become a window cleaning magnate like yourself. And that's not taking the piss fella. Edited July 9, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 No one knows how it would transpire after administration it might all go tits up but at least every chance and every avenue might be explored to keep BWFC running. Apologies if window cleaning comment upset you it was meant more in jest as you might not know I also started my life cleaning windows but did not have the forethought to become a window cleaning magnate like yourself. And that's not taking the piss fella. Haha it didn't mate. Us vision technicians have rather thick skin Your first point is what I was getting at. The owners need to explore every avenue to create revenue like you say. But right here right now the ST and purchase jobby they've got on the stadium is affecting that. They are harming the clubs chances to gain revenue against the stadium. If the ST were in charge they'd probably look to do the same as its biggest asset we have. It's just what happens in every line of business. They just shouldn't be involved now and like Carlos says playing god with the football club when in reality it's nothing to do with them and nobody but themselves put them in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) No way I'm having that they have 6-7,000 members !! A few thousand (me included) initially gave a £10 when they 1st set up after ED jacked in (before KA got involved) - many (me included) cancelled soon after a series of stupid, anti KA type statements that did not represent my views or opinion. I'd guess that they currently only have around 1,000 (max), who have continued to pay £10 a year - probably even less than that. They do more damage to the club than good and should disband. This is part of the problem folk making stuff up in there own heads without any foundation the facts are most folk who initially joined still pay there subscription fee even though they do not have to. Please can you point me in the direction of anti KA comments? I'll then ask the board to respond. The Trust is not anti KA the trust however does have a remit to have a watching brief over the ownership of the club and rightly express any concerns that they have. KA is still talking to the Trust board and it is vital that they continue dialogue with him and in recent meetings KA asked about various ways that the Trust can support the club these are being explored, however any support from the Trust has to be within the strict laws that a Trust has to adhere to. Edited July 9, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Not sure what the latest membership stands at but think it's 6-7000 fans which is 70% of the number our season ticket holders the trust send out surveys a few times a season and that's more representative of fans opinions than talking to a few lads at the match or in the pub, if you join your views are at least heard, I would encourage folk with the same opinion as you to join the trust and be heard your opinions need to be heard it's free to join take the surveys and get heard the greater the cross section of opinions the better in my eyes we all only want the same thing a better BWFC. The ST has noticeably shied away from disclosing their ACTUAL membership numbers and claim that any expressed INTEREST in becoming a member (the pledges that were never actually given because people changed their minds and the actual members who have since QUIT the ST in disgust at the way it has been run) are consider 'members'. The only time details have been given was a year ago to the day 9th July 2016, when the independent election officer announced that they had ONLY 2,537 eligible to vote. Many members have quit since then. See here - http://www.bwfcst.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/EMG-Statement-09.07.16.pdf This means that all those people who signed up their babies, family pets and whatever else to 'boost' the membership, plus all those who never actually joined the ST by paying their membership fee have been excluded. As for the ST being better informed of the fans opinions - this is based on them surveying their own membership on questions (probably not scientifically set - ie leading questions open to bias results). In other words if you ask 2,500 Labour voters which way the will vote a) Conservative b )Lib Dem c) Labour - what result would you expect? Also and probably more relevant - I know the ST read Wways (and Bolton Nuts) so why are they leaving you to fight an impossible battle to win on their behalf? Why aren't Izza and the rest of them they on here and Nuts putting forward their own case and defending their beloved ST to the clubs fans and supporters? I've certainly offered them a platform to do this on Nuts many times and the offer is still on the table for them to do so. Take that back to them Mounts and see what they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Haha it didn't mate. Us vision technicians have rather thick skin Your first point is what I was getting at. The owners need to explore every avenue to create revenue like you say. But right here right now the ST and purchase jobby they've got on the stadium is affecting that. They are harming the clubs chances to gain revenue against the stadium. If the ST were in charge they'd probably look to do the same as its biggest asset we have. It's just what happens in every line of business. They just shouldn't be involved now and like Carlos says playing god with the football club when in reality it's nothing to do with them and nobody but themselves put them in charge. I'm thinking the Trust asked fans opinions on the ACV but in truth can't remember. Regarding the reason Ken wants the ACV removing is far from really clear he says to raise money however money can be raised against a stadium with an ACV speaking for myself I'm not comfortable with raising money against the stadium but also concerned that without that money we might be in peril it really is a shitty situation we are in therefore my view ( not necessarily the trust boards view) is that trust members vote on this subject once all the information is available in the public domain so fans can make an informed decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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