little whitt Posted June 15, 2017 Posted June 15, 2017 An expert on telly last night said that sprinklers required in Scotland. Only recommended in the rest of uk. Not compulsory. Yet. funny them jocks with fire rules they wouldn't fire rate MDF a few years ago Quote
deane koontz Posted June 15, 2017 Posted June 15, 2017 How the fucking Hell's this been able to happen in 2017. I'm still in shock. The negligent fuckers need to be thrown under the jail. Quote
green genie Posted June 15, 2017 Posted June 15, 2017 How the fucking Hell's this been able to happen in 2017. I'm still in shock. The negligent fuckers need to be thrown under the jail. It will be interesting to see how this inquest pans out with CDM Regs. Public liability insurance should not keep people out of jail for this. Quote
e2e4 Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 is the cause of this known yet? also, the picture on the front of todays paper doesnt sit right with me at all. picture of a building in flames while people were still obviously trapped inside. its just fucking wrong, how are they allowed to print that ffs the 11th september stuff had folk mid descent after jumping from hundreds of feet up .. weve had things like videoing the bulldozing of corpses at places like belsen. big events become impersonal as f. best not to think too much about it, it'll eat you up. imo Quote
Guest Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 How the fucking Hell's this been able to happen in 2017. I'm still in shock. The negligent fuckers need to be thrown under the jail. Does it stop with the owner or do they deflect it to the "responsible person"? Quote
Spider Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 A company director - probably a few - will be going to prison. It'll take years though. I'll tell you who won't - whichever Teflon coated government department ultimately allowed it. Quote
MickyD Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 I'm sure H&S standards are getting better, they have to be A piece on sky news going through previous disasters and the learnings that came out of them It's no comfort for the people involved here but this won't happen again, we're very good at learning from events like this and making sure they don't Known as Stable Door Legislation. The Top Storey Club gave us the licensing act, a hotel in (I think) Saffron Walden the hotels and boarding houses act. Many acts are rushed through parliament following public outrage after incidents like that. Other new phenomena lead to bee ways of fighting fires. Ann example would be the kings cross fire where they first realised that an inclined tube hampered firefighting massively as it allowed fuel heating (pyrolisation) to occur at a much quicker rate than expected. This would lead to changes in the way the fire service deal with things. Quote
Traf Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 A company director - probably a few - will be going to prison. It'll take years though. I'll tell you who won't - whichever Teflon coated government department ultimately allowed it. No, as usual, the shit will land on the building contractors. Quote
mickbrown Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 According to the Mail (yeah, I know) it would have cost an extra 5k to use fire retardant panneling Quote
birch-chorley Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 If all the regulation's were followed correctly then I can't see it becoming a criminal investigation Unfortunately these things happen and they then impact ongoing regulations to make sure they don't happen again Clearly if corners have been cut it's a different story It will be interesting to see what comes of the fire alarm not working. Our office is a few miles from Grenfel and we test our alarm every Friday at 11am with evacuation drills twice a year, it's only a 4 storey office block Im not sure how different the rules our for commercial v residential but I'd imagine that it was being tested weekly? Quote
gonzo Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 I'm more concerned how the fire spread from floor to floor and room to room. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 I'm more concerned how the fire spread from floor to floor and room to room. Wondered that- if the external panels caused the spread, did is get in the flats through melted windows? Unfortunately now turning political. Quote
mickbrown Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 Bet they priced for fire retardant though. I don't doubt it. And then somebody's made the decision to use the cheaper stuff. Quote
gonzo Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 Nice of the daily mail to plaster the guys whose fridge was all over the Internet. Obviously with his country of origin being mentioned. Quote
Biggish Dave Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 Lily Allen is a fuckin skank. She'd turn up to the opening of an envelope to spew her bile - pisses in the same pot as Brand & Church, total irrelevants who nobody gives a toss about. How this tragedy can become political so quickly is disgusting - the bloody fire has only just been put out. the time for pointing fingers is not now Quote
birch-chorley Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 The daily mail is a disgrace Likewise the hard left are all over social media naming 72 Tory MP's who voted against a housing ammendment in January - even though a further 260 MP's voted against it and 150 didn't even turn up to vote. Even worse is the ammendment had fuck all to do with anything that would have stopped this incident Silly season continues even after the election - the media from both extremes need shutting down P.s think it spread as folk had their windows open as it was so warm that night. A similar thing happened in Dubai but you couldn't open the windows in that block (it's all AC over there), the fire never got back in on different floors Quote
Guest Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 Lily Allen is a fuckin skank. She'd turn up to the opening of an envelope to spew her bile - pisses in the same pot as Brand & Church, total irrelevants who nobody gives a toss about. How this tragedy can become political so quickly is disgusting - the bloody fire has only just been put out. the time for pointing fingers is not now It's disrespectful to those who have lost their lives, their families and the community. Quote
little whitt Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 Wondered that- if the external panels caused the spread, did is get in the flats through melted windows? Unfortunately now turning political. yes its the only way it could have spread so fast all flats have fire doors 1/2 or a 1hr fire rated + all stairwells will be a hour rated that's y they tell people to stay in the flats you should be safe for a hour or two I read in paper that it started on 4th floor but in less then a hour it was up to the 20th floor Quote
Spider Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 There are bodies still smouldering 50 metres above a load of politicians making this about them. I think I'd rather have Kim Jong Un in charge. What a bunch of heartless narcissistic cunts. Quote
madthatter Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 The daily mail is a disgrace Likewise the hard left are all over social media naming 72 Tory MP's who voted against a housing ammendment in January - even though a further 260 MP's voted against it and 150 didn't even turn up to vote. Even worse is the ammendment had fuck all to do with anything that would have stopped this incident Silly season continues even after the election - the media from both extremes need shutting down P.s think it spread as folk had their windows open as it was so warm that night. A similar thing happened in Dubai but you couldn't open the windows in that block (it's all AC over there), the fire never got back in on different floors Bang on. Some balance and heart, please Quote
Escobarp Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 It's disgusting a real sign of what our society has become. It sickens me to be a part of this country at times the way people behave. Quote
gonzo Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 yes its the only way it could have spread so fast all flats have fire doors 1/2 or a 1hr fire rated + all stairwells will be a hour rated I'd wager they didn't, hence the spread internally. Quote
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