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3 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Not illegal if they’re asylum seekers mate that’s the point 

You want people to get a visa and then claim asylum when they get here ? 

 

 

We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. 

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6 hours ago, royal white said:

We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. 

They might be scared of flying

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7 hours ago, royal white said:

We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. 

Lots do.  A good few years ago, it was close to 50% of asylum applications that were made at airports or by folk who'd flown in.  Airlines started to get fined if any issues were found with the documents of those travelling.  Ryan Air chap was talking about it this week.  I presume that made the job of flying in a lot more difficult.

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8 hours ago, Ani said:

I have been drinking but one question for people supporting this approach to flying people to Rwanda.

Would we have this approach if Boris had not been caught partying during lockdown ? 
 

Be honest. 
 

I said it before we have a PM whose position is so untenable but desperate to hold on he would do and say anything. We are in terms of political policy a step away from monkey tennis and smell my cheese. 

This is the real issue here. You have a government that can't actually govern because they are just day by day, week by week trying to keep Boris Johnson in his job.

It's just policy made up on the hoof to appeal to a core Johnson (I won't use the term Conservative) base who will then defend it and double down.

 

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Why is sending a few failed asylum seekers to Rwanda seen as a problem?

They've obviously been processed and not met the criteria to stay.

Hopefully in the long run it'll be seen as a deterrent to those that try and get here and make false claims.

Priority can then be with those that are actually in need of our help. Like the ones coming in the opposite direction.

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8 hours ago, royal white said:

We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. 

Not always possible if you are under threat as mentioned , sure some would if that was available to them rather than schlep over in a truck or dinghy but, here’s the thing, 

 

going through a conventional travel route and applying for assylum doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t be processed in Rwanda . 

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5 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Why is sending a few failed asylum seekers to Rwanda seen as a problem?

They've obviously been processed and not met the criteria to stay.

Hopefully in the long run it'll be seen as a deterrent to those that try and get here and make false claims.

Priority can then be with those that are actually in need of our help. Like the ones coming in the opposite direction.

Does work like that, I'm afarid. Here's a bit of a Letts Guide; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-61782866

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9 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Why is sending a few failed asylum seekers to Rwanda seen as a problem?

They've obviously been processed and not met the criteria to stay.

Hopefully in the long run it'll be seen as a deterrent to those that try and get here and make false claims.

Priority can then be with those that are actually in need of our help. Like the ones coming in the opposite direction.

Because they’re not failed until they’re processed 

and they’re being processed in Rwanda 

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15 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Because they’re not failed until they’re processed 

and they’re being processed in Rwanda 

If we had done the same with the lass from the ukraine in his back bedroom, maybe he would take more notice of the detail

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2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Ah right... what's wrong with them being processed there? If all is good they can then come.

Nope

they get to stay there if they’re genuine asylum seekers .

they are processed and settled in Rwanda . 

if they fail God knows but probably sent back to where they come from 

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16 minutes ago, Casino said:

If we had done the same with the lass from the ukraine in his back bedroom, maybe he would take more notice of the detail

You're right I would. But luckily for me I've only had to fill out application forms from the LA, Visa application forms and biometric applications.

Also... because Bucha (where she and her son are from) was being smashed to bits, kids and women were being raped then slaughtered... Help for Ukrainians was set up.

Because of this scheme it made it a little easier for them to be processed properly and come over here.

Also... they have no intention of staying here and eventually want to go home or what's left of it.

Ukraine... not The Ukraine btw.

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28 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Nope

they get to stay there if they’re genuine asylum seekers .

they are processed and settled in Rwanda . 

if they fail God knows but probably sent back to where they come from 

But not all have to stay there right? What's with the some coming over on the return?

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Surely people don't actually think that sending three or four people to Rwanda is going to stop hundreds trying to cross the channel on dinghies on a daily basis do they? - is anybody going to admit to thinking it'll actually make any difference at all? 

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3 minutes ago, Traf said:

What if you're from Rwanda and are seeking asylum?

It'll be like that couple from Bolton who were on holiday in Blackpool, they got on the mystery bus day trip ... and ended up at Bolton Market for the day.

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10 hours ago, royal white said:

We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
 

75% of asylum seekers do not come on boats. But it seems the headlines they attract merits so much rhetoric. 
 

Monkey tennis. 

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