royal white Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, fatolive said: Not illegal if they’re asylum seekers mate that’s the point You want people to get a visa and then claim asylum when they get here ? We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted June 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2022 6 hours ago, royal white said: We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. They might be scared of flying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 hours ago, royal white said: We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. Lots do. A good few years ago, it was close to 50% of asylum applications that were made at airports or by folk who'd flown in. Airlines started to get fined if any issues were found with the documents of those travelling. Ryan Air chap was talking about it this week. I presume that made the job of flying in a lot more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 hours ago, mickbrown said: So we're bringing fewer back than we are sending out? They're sending back 4 to our 7. That'll sort it. It's policy for primary schools. Actually, that's a bit unfair on the under 11s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 A lot of these people won't have passports and if you are fleeing a regime that wants to kill you it is a bit tricky popping to the passport office to pick one up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Ani said: I have been drinking but one question for people supporting this approach to flying people to Rwanda. Would we have this approach if Boris had not been caught partying during lockdown ? Be honest. I said it before we have a PM whose position is so untenable but desperate to hold on he would do and say anything. We are in terms of political policy a step away from monkey tennis and smell my cheese. This is the real issue here. You have a government that can't actually govern because they are just day by day, week by week trying to keep Boris Johnson in his job. It's just policy made up on the hoof to appeal to a core Johnson (I won't use the term Conservative) base who will then defend it and double down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, Nowack said: A lot of these people won't have passports and if you are fleeing a regime that wants to kill you it is a bit tricky popping to the passport office to pick one up. Its hard enough getting a passport soted in time here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted June 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2022 “Why always the UK? Grrrr grrrr grrrr send the buggers back grrrrr” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Bozo can always ask his Ethics Advisor for assistance. Oh!🥴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Why is sending a few failed asylum seekers to Rwanda seen as a problem? They've obviously been processed and not met the criteria to stay. Hopefully in the long run it'll be seen as a deterrent to those that try and get here and make false claims. Priority can then be with those that are actually in need of our help. Like the ones coming in the opposite direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted June 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2022 8 hours ago, royal white said: We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. Not always possible if you are under threat as mentioned , sure some would if that was available to them rather than schlep over in a truck or dinghy but, here’s the thing, going through a conventional travel route and applying for assylum doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t be processed in Rwanda . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: Why is sending a few failed asylum seekers to Rwanda seen as a problem? They've obviously been processed and not met the criteria to stay. Hopefully in the long run it'll be seen as a deterrent to those that try and get here and make false claims. Priority can then be with those that are actually in need of our help. Like the ones coming in the opposite direction. Does work like that, I'm afarid. Here's a bit of a Letts Guide; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-61782866 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted June 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: Why is sending a few failed asylum seekers to Rwanda seen as a problem? They've obviously been processed and not met the criteria to stay. Hopefully in the long run it'll be seen as a deterrent to those that try and get here and make false claims. Priority can then be with those that are actually in need of our help. Like the ones coming in the opposite direction. Because they’re not failed until they’re processed and they’re being processed in Rwanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 16, 2022 Moderators Share Posted June 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, fatolive said: Because they’re not failed until they’re processed and they’re being processed in Rwanda If we had done the same with the lass from the ukraine in his back bedroom, maybe he would take more notice of the detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, fatolive said: Because they’re not failed until they’re processed and they’re being processed in Rwanda Ah right... what's wrong with them being processed there? If all is good they can then come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted June 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: Ah right... what's wrong with them being processed there? If all is good they can then come. Nope they get to stay there if they’re genuine asylum seekers . they are processed and settled in Rwanda . if they fail God knows but probably sent back to where they come from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizio Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Dangerous to jump into a pool and not know how deep it is So today, considering ignoring some ruling from the ECtHR. Dangerous path to be on. Wanting to cherry pick which judgements to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, Casino said: If we had done the same with the lass from the ukraine in his back bedroom, maybe he would take more notice of the detail You're right I would. But luckily for me I've only had to fill out application forms from the LA, Visa application forms and biometric applications. Also... because Bucha (where she and her son are from) was being smashed to bits, kids and women were being raped then slaughtered... Help for Ukrainians was set up. Because of this scheme it made it a little easier for them to be processed properly and come over here. Also... they have no intention of staying here and eventually want to go home or what's left of it. Ukraine... not The Ukraine btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, fatolive said: Nope they get to stay there if they’re genuine asylum seekers . they are processed and settled in Rwanda . if they fail God knows but probably sent back to where they come from But not all have to stay there right? What's with the some coming over on the return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted June 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: But not all have to stay there right? What's with the some coming over on the return? All we send there stay there the exchange is for some of theirs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2022 30 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: But not all have to stay there right? What's with the some coming over on the return? That's what is so morally wrong. If you are genuine you stay in Rwanda anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Surely people don't actually think that sending three or four people to Rwanda is going to stop hundreds trying to cross the channel on dinghies on a daily basis do they? - is anybody going to admit to thinking it'll actually make any difference at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 What if you're from Rwanda and are seeking asylum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Traf said: What if you're from Rwanda and are seeking asylum? It'll be like that couple from Bolton who were on holiday in Blackpool, they got on the mystery bus day trip ... and ended up at Bolton Market for the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 hours ago, royal white said: We are talking about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. If a Turk for example wanted to get asylum here why would they pay thousands to a criminal? Get on the plane and when you land go to border force and start the process. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/ 75% of asylum seekers do not come on boats. But it seems the headlines they attract merits so much rhetoric. Monkey tennis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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