Politics

[green genie]

1 hour ago, Duck Egg said:

Amongst the gammon bingo, I have to say this was my favourite.

Only problem for perfect Gammon breakfast is plans by Tory Government and not a loony lefty Council 

[Cheese]

Not going away this.

[tomski]

20 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Not going away this.

It will be chip paper soon enough. They’ll upgrade asylum seekers to the Savoy and everyone will go nuts.

[MickyD]

23 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Not going away this.

Is this perhaps why Hancock was sent to the jungle so he could return a likeable guy who is probably more a celebrity after his jungle escapades than he had been prior.

[Spider]

Lets

just

move

on

[mickbrown]

31 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Is this perhaps why Hancock was sent to the jungle so he could return a likeable guy who is probably more a celebrity after his jungle escapades than he had been prior.

Amazing what eating kangaroo dick will do to the British public's memory

[Whitesince63]

On 26/11/2022 at 18:50, tomski said:

Blame Tony Blair/Labour✅
Blame some Polish/Lithuanian people I probably don’t know✅
Talk about how great somewhere was though it was probably shite✅
 

Only one labelling yourself as a racist seems to be you. Not even crossed my mind. 

When times get hard people blame foreigners. Nothing new here to see. Been going on for centuries.

Things will settle down. Then no one will be blamed. That will change again and I wonder what will happen then.

Ive merely called out you’ve signed up to textbook Tory/farage thought processes.

The bit I don’t get is it’s getting worse since brexit. Surely if it was the Lithuanians and more are going home then it should be better right?
 

 

As usual you completely miss the point. I entirely blame the fact that our population has grown by over ten million in the last twenty years, I completely blame the fact that this growth has been mainly through immigration. If you’re one of the people that thinks so much immigration has been a good thing for the country, then certainly we do disagree. As for whether things were better in the past, there is absolutely no question that they were but I wouldn’t expect anybody born after the sixties to have even a semblance of what the country was like before then. With net migration of over 500k last year rather than slowing down, numbers look like getting even higher. We can’t house our own young people, can’t get doctors appointments, dentists appointments and the NHS is in complete disarray. Please tell me how this is acceptable. I’m sorry but people with your complete myopic view who don’t see the damage that’s been done to our country by successive governments just leave me completely aghast.

Edited November 28, 2022 by Whitesince63

[Spider]

10 million immigrants in 20 years??

where’d you get that number?

[tomski]

3 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

As usual you completely miss the point. I entirely blame the fact that our population has grown by over ten million in the last twenty years, I completely blame the fact that this growth has been mainly through immigration. If you’re one of the people that thinks so much immigration has been a good thing for the country, then certainly we do disagree. As for whether things were better in the past, there is absolutely no question that they were but I wouldn’t expect anybody born after the sixties to have even a semblance of what the country was like before then. With net migration of over 500k last year rather than slowing down, numbers look like getting even higher. We can’t house our own young people, can’t get doctors appointments, dentists appointments and the NHS is in complete disarray. Please tell me how this is acceptable. I’m sorry but people with your complete myopic view who don’t see the damage that’s been done to our country by successive governments just leave me completely aghast.

Fair enough. 

A good, thought out post.

Must say I’m glad I missed the glory years as in the here and now it seems to make you quite cheery. 

I actually think the points you raise have little to do with immigration and exactly what you nailed on about successive governments.

I just believe as the country is going through a rough time and the simplistic narrative of immigration is to blame for everything has reared its head again.

 

 

[Sweep]

35 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

 We can’t house our own young people, can’t get doctors appointments, dentists appointments and the NHS is in complete disarray. 

This is more to do with the shitbags that we have continually elected to run the country rather than migration isn't it? - if you listen to the "experts" they're even suggesting that we need a lot more migration as we move forward.........

Oh for the good old days......sadly, they're never coming back (if they were ever actually that good in the first place)

[Not in Crawley]

27 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

As usual you completely miss the point. I entirely blame the fact that our population has grown by over ten million in the last twenty years, I completely blame the fact that this growth has been mainly through immigration. If you’re one of the people that thinks so much immigration has been a good thing for the country, then certainly we do disagree. As for whether things were better in the past, there is absolutely no question that they were but I wouldn’t expect anybody born after the sixties to have even a semblance of what the country was like before then. With net migration of over 500k last year rather than slowing down, numbers look like getting even higher. We can’t house our own young people, can’t get doctors appointments, dentists appointments and the NHS is in complete disarray. Please tell me how this is acceptable. I’m sorry but people with your complete myopic view who don’t see the damage that’s been done to our country by successive governments just leave me completely aghast.

Utter codswallop.

My Dad was born in 48, and as he always says, anyone who tells you things were better in the old days is talking crap.

I'd love you to define better. Maybe it was the lower life expectancy? The unaddressed levels of inequality? Lack of central heating in most homes? Illegal abortions? The lack of an equal equalities act? Less chance of progression?

Myopic, backward looking nonsense from people who don't see what damage they have wrought on our country by being led up the garden path by successive governments just leaves me aghast.

Housing has got tit all to do with immigration, doctor's appoitments (or lack therefore) have got tit all to do with immigration. Its this over-simplification of blaming the smallest numbers of the poorest people for a country's ills that beggers belief and that people propogate this myth because they are too entrenched and lack to be honest, the desire, to understand the issue further. I'd love to live in a world where everything was so easily explained away and I could sit on my high horse pontificating.

Worse than Bolty in that,this fella thinks he's spot on.

[Wanderlust]

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

10 million immigrants in 20 years??

where’d you get that number?

It's bollocks. UK population has grown 8 million in the last 20 years from 59.5m in 2002 to 67.5m now (and FWIW all forecasts predict it will peak by 2050 at around 72.5m and decline thereafter) - in part controlled by the death rate of an ageing population.

Net migration has declined every single year since 2008.

As the UK birth rate has only declined marginally - from 1.2% of the population in 2008 to it's current level of 1.1% of the population whilst over the same time the net migration rate has declined to 0.29% it's clear as day that the increase in population is driven by births not immigration.

Either way, as the Baby boomers peg it and young Brits have finally discovered contraception, the UK will need new blood to salvage what's left of the economy.

 

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Wanderlust said:

it's clear as day that the increase in population is driven by births not immigration.

 

 

Yeh, but them immigrants all have about 20 kids each......and they all get free housing and benefits and stuff

Or something like that anyway

[Wanderlust]

Blimey - the BBC have finally had the temerity to mention the B word...Wow!

 

[Wanderlust]

I'm amazed that former Tory parliamentary candidate and Brexiteer Tim Davie has allowed this to happen. Surely the whole point of of the Tory -controlled BBC Board installing him as the Director General of the BBC was to prevent any discussion about the failure of Brexit?

[Cheese]

24 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Blimey - the BBC have finally had the temerity to mention the B word...Wow!

 

How do you get out of bed in the morning, you negative nelly?

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, Wanderlust said:

I'm amazed that former Tory parliamentary candidate and Brexiteer Tim Davie has allowed this to happen. Surely the whole point of of the Tory -controlled BBC Board installing him as the Director General of the BBC was to prevent any discussion about the failure of Brexit?

No no no no no. The BBC is a metro-centric socialist cabal that loves Opera and Immigration.

Honestly.

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, Cheese said:

How do you get out of bed in the morning, you negative nelly?

That is making me chuckle at the moment. So basically it seems that now, if you point out anything that might be going wrong with the country, on any level, about anything, at any time you'll struggle to raise your lump of a body out of bed.

Seems reasonable.

[Ani]

For info the reason people can not get GP appointments is more to do with the fact that since 2015 we have approx 1800 less GPS than we did have so we are about 6% down whilst the population increases. 
 

Immigration IS a significant factor in the population growth though. But given we have record low level of unemployment and companies struggling to recruit you would think we need more in. 

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

For info the reason people can not get GP appointments is more to do with the fact that since 2015 we have approx 1800 less GPS than we did have so we are about 6% down whilst the population increases. 
 

Immigration IS a significant factor in the population growth though. But given we have record low level of unemployment and companies struggling to recruit you would think we need more in. 

Migration is a signifcant factor, my issue is that it's not the only one and the idea of shutting boarders doesn't solve long standing and systemic problems.

The ONS have helpfully put together an idiot proof projection if anyone can be arsed.

[Sweep]

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

For info the reason people can not get GP appointments is more to do with the fact that since 2015 we have approx 1800 less GPS than we did have so we are about 6% down whilst the population increases. 
 

Immigration IS a significant factor in the population growth though. But given we have record low level of unemployment and companies struggling to recruit you would think we need more in. 

Don't tell @Whitesince63this, his head might explode

[royal white]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

10 million immigrants in 20 years??

where’d you get that number?

I thought it was more like 8 million add the approx 1 million illegals knocking about it might not be a million miles away. 

[Not in Crawley]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

I thought it was more like 8 million add the approx 1 million illegals knocking about it might not be a million miles away. 

You know what thought did.

 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Wanderlust said:

Blimey - the BBC have finally had the temerity to mention the B word...Wow!

 

BB will have a graph to show brexit has been a success. 

[Wanderlust]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

How do you get out of bed in the morning, you negative nelly?

Being Brexit positive is like being HIV positive - there's no cure for either but if you take the medicine it can slow down the progression of the disease a bit and prolong life expectancy for a little while

Edited November 28, 2022 by Wanderlust