Politics

[gonzo]

9 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

 

And I'm northern 

Being born in a stable does not make you a horse

[royal white]

5 hours ago, athywhite1958 said:

The banter we have is top drawer, a good mix of blokes from many different professions, all with tales to tell, football to be discussed and beer to be drunk, every one of us is over 50, you are never too old to enjoy yourself without the missus

I don’t get how lads have never had a lads holiday or don't enjoy socialising with their mates, especially in their teens. Each to their own I suppose. 

 

Fkin weirdos 

[Not in Crawley]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

I don’t get how lads have never had a lads holiday or don't enjoy socialising with their mates, especially in their teens. Each to their own I suppose. 

 

Fkin weirdos 

That's not what I said. The thought of a lads lads lads holiday with the likes of just blokes like you isn't my idea of a good time, and never was.

The all male thing seem a bit odd to me, to be honest.

[royal white]

36 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

That's not what I said. The thought of a lads lads lads holiday with the likes of just blokes like you isn't my idea of a good time, and never was.

The all male thing seem a bit odd to me, to be honest.

Yes socialising with friends is very odd. 
 

Each to their own though 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

We really are gripped to the free market.

Everything is for sale, and the profits are increasingly going to other countries.

 

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Yes socialising with friends is very odd. 
 

Each to their own though 

That's not what I wrote, read back, think and then move on.

[Farrelli]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63741465
 

More brexit benefits. It was said many times during the brexit campaign that we risk reducing our environmental laws, food safety and workers rights by leaving the EU.  If we scrap these laws we are also going to see confusion for business. 

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

That's not what I wrote, read back, think and then move on.

The lads holiday but sounded dreadful?  A lads holiday believe it or not is friends socialising. Like I said it’s not for everyone. There are however plenty of Karaoke bars on foreign shores. You and your mates can bang out some SMASH classics. Traffs your man 👍

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

The lads holiday but sounded dreadful?  A lads holiday believe it or not is friends socialising. Like I said it’s not for everyone. There are however plenty of Karaoke bars on foreign shores. You and your mates can bang out some SMASH classics. Traffs your man 👍

Sigh, ok for clarity because this is getting boring.

Going out with a group of blokes on holiday just getting pissed and on the pull isn't something that has ever massively interested me. 

Its got nothing to do with saying that I don't like spending time with my friends. 

Its just different people enjoy doing different things. See? Not that difficult, is it?

[Whitesince63]

On 28/11/2022 at 23:46, Spider said:

Well I studied English at uni<versity> , but I’m sure you’d dismiss such things as ridiculous and tell me that in the 60’s people got “proper” jobs enamelling scooters or emptying bins by hand.

Im sorry Britain moved on without you, but we had to. We couldn’t just sit around with you still shouting at each other down analogue phones and switching between 2 TV channels using a walking stick.

Apologies for all longer life expectancy, the amazing drugs and cancer cures, and the ability to whisk you to your cruise ship on an aeroplane that you sat and watched a movie on.

We’re sorry. I hope you find your utopia in whatever clatteringly awful 60’s life you aspire to. Which isn’t weird in any way.

You see again spider you’re completely missing the point. I could list hundreds of things that are better today and I’d have no arguments with you about any of them. Maybe you’re right and I’m just a miserable old cunt looking through my rose tinted but despite all the fantastic advances I’ve seen in my lifetime, I’d swap it all for the amazing times of the fifties and sixties, a period which will never be repeated and during which so many changes occurred. The “roaring” sixties in particular were completely incredible and the modern lifestyles we have today were borne from it. Look, the modern world is fantastic in so many ways and I’m not going to argue with you on that but I’m afraid it also has its downsides and for me that’s where the difference is. You weren’t there, you couldn’t possibly know and I accept that, so if you’re happy with the world you’re making then that’s all that matters. Personally I fear and despair of what I’m leaving for my grandkids but I accept it’s down to them to make the best of it and I’m sure they will. 

[Whitesince63]

On 29/11/2022 at 08:08, Duck Egg said:

It's '..your little wheeze' not 'you're'

I presume you missed it when reading it back?

Ha, brilliant duck egg, definitely one to you. 👍🤗

[DirtySanchez]

4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Sigh, ok for clarity because this is getting boring.

Going out with a group of blokes on holiday just getting pissed and on the pull isn't something that has ever massively interested me. 

Its got nothing to do with saying that I don't like spending time with my friends. 

Its just different people enjoy doing different things. See? Not that difficult, is it?

Group of my mates, when were around 19, went on a lads holiday to Magaluf

I wasn't interested so didn't bother. They were all like Jay from the Inbetweeners about how great it was going to be 

Basically involved getting pissed at night, sleeping it off during the day, then getting pissed at night and repeat 

And like Jay, none of them pulled 

[Not in Crawley]

7 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

You see again spider you’re completely missing the point. I could list hundreds of things that are better today and I’d have no arguments with you about any of them. Maybe you’re right and I’m just a miserable old cunt looking through my rose tinted but despite all the fantastic advances I’ve seen in my lifetime, I’d swap it all for the amazing times of the fifties and sixties, a period which will never be repeated and during which so many changes occurred. The “roaring” sixties in particular were completely incredible and the modern lifestyles we have today were borne from it. Look, the modern world is fantastic in so many ways and I’m not going to argue with you on that but I’m afraid it also has its downsides and for me that’s where the difference is. You weren’t there, you couldn’t possibly know and I accept that, so if you’re happy with the world you’re making then that’s all that matters. Personally I fear and despair of what I’m leaving for my grandkids but I accept it’s down to them to make the best of it and I’m sure they will. 

Yeah, to be fair, your generation has massively fucked it up 😉

[Whitesince63]

9 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Yeah, to be fair, your generation has massively fucked it up 😉

Of course we did, silly me. You just keep thinking that and blaming it on the oldies if it makes you feel better. Always better to ignore the fuck ups you’ve made and are still making yourself than accept reality. I think if you look back, difficult for you I know, it all turned pear shaped in the 70’s and eighties when we joined and expanded the EU and idiots like you gave away everything we and our predecessors had built for you, then allowed Tony Blair not only to decimate the Middle East but also to ignore mass immigration from Europe. Yes, it’s all down to us old duffers isn’t it? Actually I’ve got to get back to my garage to make some more dinghy’s!!

Edited November 30, 2022 by Whitesince63

[Sweep]

15 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Personally I fear and despair of what I’m leaving for my grandkids but I accept it’s down to them to make the best of it and I’m sure they will. 

It's sad that you feel like that, as it's really not that shit, honestly.

I do believe that each generation honestly believe the one they "grew up in" was/is better than the present day, I suspect this has always happened, even back as far as when we were scratching around in mudhuts and the Romans arrived.

 

Although to be fair, this article does suggest that 1957 was a corker of a year 🙂: We’ve never had it so good: 1957 was the happiest year | News | The Times

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Of course we did, silly me. You just keep thinking that and blaming it on the oldies if it makes you feel better. Always better to ignore the fuck ups you’ve made and are still making yourself than accept reality. I think if you look back, difficult for you I know, it all turned pear shaped in the 70’s and eighties when we joined and expanded the EU and idiots like you gave away everything we and our predecessors had built for you, then allowed Tony Blair not only to decimate the Middle East but also to ignore mass immigration from Europe. Yes, it’s all down to us old duffers isn’t it? Actually I’ve got to get back to my garage to make some more dinghy’s!!

I was having a wee jape you cantankerous old sod!

Sorry quick edit in case you were in any doubt - but also, that's another pile of utter piss-froth.

Thought you said your eduction was better? I take it you wagged it through History.

Edited November 30, 2022 by Not in Crawley

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Of course we did, silly me. You just keep thinking that and blaming it on the oldies if it makes you feel better. Always better to ignore the fuck ups you’ve made and are still making yourself than accept reality. I think if you look back, difficult for you I know, it all turned pear shaped in the 70’s and eighties when we joined and expanded the EU and idiots like you gave away everything we and our predecessors had built for you, then allowed Tony Blair not only to decimate the Middle East but also to ignore mass immigration from Europe. Yes, it’s all down to us old duffers isn’t it? Actually I’ve got to get back to my garage to make some more dinghy’s!!

I suspect that you're more likely to have been involved in those things than NiC, if we're talking about the 70's and 80's as you would have been of voting age, and NiC wouldn't have been..........if it started to go wrong in the 70's then the blame surely lies with those born in the 1950's and 60's (and earlier) does it not?

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, Sweep said:

I suspect that you're more likely to have been involved in those things than NiC, if we're talking about the 70's and 80's as you would have been of voting age, and NiC wouldn't have been..........if it started to go wrong in the 70's then the blame surely lies with those born in the 1950's and 60's (and earlier) does it not?

Yes, that's the point, later Gen X'ers didn't have a say at that point. Tony Blair isn't of my generation - I'm afraid the Baby Boomers have to own him.

We gave the world Matt Handcock 😄

[Carlos]

As I sit here, nice and cosy in my home office, more comfortable than any previous generations of my family, it doesn't feel like anything went pear shaped. My biggest concern is when do my pensions grow enough for me to retire.

Here's when it went wrong, an example. My grandad was held prisoner by the Japanese for 4 years, to say he didn't like them was an understatement. By the 70s, he was throwing money at them buying their tech, Hitachi tape player, Sony colour TV, Nikon camera etc. Because what were we building? Amstrad? British Leyland cars that rotted away in a couple of years? We got left behind, focusing on shite like coal mining. But yes, blame the EU and immigration, like an Aldi Nigel Farage.

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Of course we did, silly me. You just keep thinking that and blaming it on the oldies if it makes you feel better. Always better to ignore the fuck ups you’ve made and are still making yourself than accept reality. I think if you look back, difficult for you I know, it all turned pear shaped in the 70’s and eighties when we joined and expanded the EU and idiots like you gave away everything we and our predecessors had built for you, then allowed Tony Blair not only to decimate the Middle East but also to ignore mass immigration from Europe. Yes, it’s all down to us old duffers isn’t it? Actually I’ve got to get back to my garage to make some more dinghy’s!!

Joining the EU helped us become 5th largest economy as part of the worlds largest trading group. We are now in reverse thanks to brexit.

[Farrelli]

Just now, Carlos said:

As I sit here, nice and cosy in my home office, more comfortable than any previous generations of my family, it doesn't feel like anything went pear shaped. My biggest concern is when do my pensions grow enough for me to retire.

Here's when it went wrong, an example. My grandad was held prisoner by the Japanese for 4 years, to say he didn't like them was an understatement. By the 70s, he was throwing money at them buying their tech, Hitachi tape player, Sony colour TV, Nikon camera etc. Because what were we building? Amstrad? British Leyland cars that rotted away in a couple of years? We got left behind, focusing on shite like coal mining. But yes, blame the EU and immigration, like an Aldi Nigel Farage.

Totally agree. Some of the benefits of being in the EU were taken for granted but we improved in so many ways compared to the 70’s (workers rights, environmental law, scientific innovations, etc).

[BobyBrno]

When us ‘Baby Boomers’ have pegged it we’ll be replaced by another generation saying the same things about things being better. The generation gap has always been there.

As far as modern technology making our lives better, certainly. Whether it makes us happier though is another matter.

Its a football forum. The Reebok is a fantastic stadium but I enjoyed my football more at Burnden. 

Edited November 30, 2022 by BobyBrno

[globaldiver]

16 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Joining the EU helped us become 5th largest economy as part of the worlds largest trading group. We are now in reverse thanks to brexit.

We didn’t join the EU. There is very little evidence that we are in reverse and, if so, how much, if any, is down to Brexit. Feel free to show any.

[royal white]

40 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Sigh, ok for clarity because this is getting boring.

Going out with a group of blokes on holiday just getting pissed and on the pull isn't something that has ever massively interested me. 

Its got nothing to do with saying that I don't like spending time with my friends. 

Its just different people enjoy doing different things. See? Not that difficult, is it?

This is the problem with narrow  minded folk who think they know everything. It’s not just about getting pissed and being on the pull. 
 

But you know best. 👍

[Ani]

15 minutes ago, royal white said:

This is the problem with narrow  minded folk who think they know everything. It’s not just about getting pissed and being on the pull. 
 

But you know best. 👍

I do not think I have had better times in my life on a regular basis than sat with a group of mates talking shit.

In the teen years all about beer and birds and Bolton. Into twenties work also started to be part of the chat , thirties houses and kids  forties divorces added in and now in 50s pensions are the 'in thing' . The 'birds' have evolved into girlfriends, wives and ex wives. 
I went to Cambs with a lad I have known since Uni, with my step son and my mates 2 kids. (18 and 14).

I get together with 50-60 ex Uni lads at least once a year, others do it more often. OK it ain't like 10 of us getting a coach from Moor Lane to the South of France as I did at 17, but the whole 'lads together' experience is still brilliant. We all have loads of other stuff going in but think I will always make time for these days.