Not in Crawley Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cheese said: Godwin confirmed a few years ago that his "Law" doesn't apply if the actions/language referred to are actually reminiscent of those employed by the Nazi's. Which is the case here. But it's a really fine line, and his point would have been stronger if he hadn't brought it up in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Not really, you're just not interested in the debate, or the wider issues, as ever you want to boil it down to anover simplistic point. That's your perogative, but I believe it to be wrong and ultimately boring because it (as it always does) ignore any context. You're wrong about the guidelines, you have little idea about how these are managed and you happily sidestep the problems of those making the decisions on what constitutes impartiality, which is why this had become a huge problem. And because of all that, I'm happy to let you go round and round trying to work out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin 😘 Why bother asking if you don’t want to know. You’ve obviously realised now that’s he’s broken them in the past. Don’t worry about it people get things wrong from time to time. Chin up fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: What rules? 🤦🏻🤦🏻 impartiality rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: What rules? He doesn’t know, don’t ask him. We’ve been going round and round in circles . You’ll get a response about Johnny the plumber and playgrounds soon. He posted a link yesterday about BBC impartiality. He clearly didn’t read his own link all the way through because they state it is guidance with no clear definition of where the line is. But he’s convinced it’s all simple and he’s broke the rules. Even if he did post his own link that proved otherwise. He should really just get off Twitter and wways now and spend some quality time with his kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, royal white said: 🤦🏻🤦🏻 impartiality rules. There are no such rules for freelancers like Lineker though. As for BBC employees, there are questions arising about the BBC's impartiality in applying the impartiality rules. Edited March 11, 2023 by Wanderlust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: He doesn’t know, don’t ask him. We’ve been going round and round in circles . You’ll get a response about Johnny the plumber and playgrounds soon. He posted a link yesterday about BBC impartiality. He clearly didn’t read his own link all the way through because they state it is guidance with no clear definition of where the line is. But he’s convinced it’s all simple and he’s broke the rules. Even if he did post his own link that proved otherwise. He should really just get off Twitter and wways now and spend some quality time with his kids. Maybe the BBC misprinted a full article 🤷🏻♂️ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63248314.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, royal white said: Why bother asking if you don’t want to know. You’ve obviously realised now that’s he’s broken them in the past. Don’t worry about it people get things wrong from time to time. Chin up fella Ah, sweetheart, there you go putting words into someones mouth that they didn't say, you want to watch that. But you've finally reached your endgame, and relax... Yes RW, you are totally right as always. You've skewered me with your amazing insight and full understanding of the situation as always. Boiling complex cultural issues down to a fine point to get to the truth. A modern day William F Buckley Jr. We are blessed to have such a searing commentator within our humble midst Out of the history of WW WUM, you've been my favourite 😘🥰😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: There are no such rules for freelancers like Lineker though. As for BBC employees, there are questions arising about the BBC's impartiality in applying the impartiality rules. So what are they on about here then? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63248314.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, royal white said: So what are they on about here then? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63248314.amp Guidance ain't rules. ...as the ECU themselves say if you follow the ECU link in the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 This was 3 years ago when he signed his new contract. Whether you agree with him or not, he new what was required of him as an employee. Freelance or not. https://news.sky.com/story/gary-lineker-to-adhere-to-new-bbc-impartiality-rules-after-signing-fresh-five-year-deal-12072460 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, royal white said: Maybe the BBC misprinted a full article 🤷🏻♂️ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63248314.amp The ECU said Lineker was "one of the BBC's highest profile stars" and, although not required to uphold the same high standards of impartiality as the broadcaster's journalists, does have an "additional responsibility" because of his profile. Again, you’ve just posted a link to prove how blurry the guidance is. Cheers 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 11, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2023 Is the “guidance” the same for all BBC employees and freelancers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Spider said: Is the “guidance” the same for all BBC employees and freelancers? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The ECU said Lineker was "one of the BBC's highest profile stars" and, although not required to uphold the same high standards of impartiality as the broadcaster's journalists, does have an "additional responsibility" because of his profile. Again, you’ve just posted a link to prove how blurry the guidance is. Cheers 👍 You missed a bit "We expect these individuals to avoid taking sides on party political issues or political controversies and to take care when addressing public policy matters," the ruling said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Spider said: Is the “guidance” the same for all BBC employees and freelancers? Yes apart from Andrew Neil, Richard Sharp, Lord Sugar and any other pro Tory employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: This was 3 years ago when he signed his new contract. Whether you agree with him or not, he new what was required of him as an employee. Freelance or not. https://news.sky.com/story/gary-lineker-to-adhere-to-new-bbc-impartiality-rules-after-signing-fresh-five-year-deal-12072460 Tim Davie, former Conservative MP. This is why it is an issue, who sets and oversees the impartiality guidelines. Why are somethings wavied through and this tweet in particular has caused all these issues? This is why it's blown up in the way it has. If folk can't see that, they are being willfully obtuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: This was 3 years ago when he signed his new contract. Whether you agree with him or not, he new what was required of him as an employee. Freelance or not. https://news.sky.com/story/gary-lineker-to-adhere-to-new-bbc-impartiality-rules-after-signing-fresh-five-year-deal-12072460 “He said the BBC would be publishing new guidance for staff and contributors on social media in the next couple of weeks.” I think that the point is the guidance was very unclear, with no clear line. Strange that it applies to some people, like Lineker, but not Lord Sugar? Or there own company chairman for example… it’s obvious it wasn’t to clear, which is why all his colleagues have supported him. i think the best aspect of all this is the hardcore cancel culture warriors called for him to be sacked. These people won’t have a leg to stand on when they next bemoan someone being cancelled. The fact that Clarkson and Morgan have the intelligence to defend him speaks volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2e4 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, royal white said: 🤦🏻 but you get that. its always happened. its only these "im just a comedian" types are getting shit back now like Ali G moaning about it after snake oiling his way into some charity event to rip on the upper class hosts. cant complain about manners and that now. too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: “He said the BBC would be publishing new guidance for staff and contributors on social media in the next couple of weeks.” I think that the point is the guidance was very unclear, with no clear line. Strange that it applies to some people, like Lineker, but not Lord Sugar? Or there own company chairman for example… it’s obvious it wasn’t to clear, which is why all his colleagues have supported him. i think the best aspect of all this is the hardcore cancel culture warriors called for him to be sacked. These people won’t have a leg to stand on when they next bemoan someone being cancelled. The fact that Clarkson and Morgan have the intelligence to defend him speaks volumes. What did Lord sugar do again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, royal white said: You missed a bit "We expect these individuals to avoid taking sides on party political issues or political controversies and to take care when addressing public policy matters," the ruling said. You’ve missed the bit where he didn’t take sides… not one comment was made about Labour. and ‘take care’ - well that’s very clear isn’t it 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Just now, royal white said: What did Lord sugar do again? Google friend. Aww friend. Google friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Just now, royal white said: What did Lord sugar do again? Criticised union bosses in December over the train strikes. Which of course he’s entitled to do. Just needs to remember to take care 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: You’ve missed the bit where he didn’t take sides… not one comment was made about Labour. and ‘take care’ - well that’s very clear isn’t it 😂 What have Labour got to do with anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 17 minutes ago, royal white said: You missed a bit "We expect these individuals to avoid taking sides on party political issues or political controversies and to take care when addressing public policy matters," the ruling said. He did take care. It was grammatically precise, no waffling, and no innuendo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 11, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, royal white said: What have Labour got to do with anything? I think - I’ll double check in a minute - but I think they’re a political party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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