Politics

[tomski]

29 minutes ago, Gonk said:

They didn't even need to take it back, it was voluntary and they could have reversed it  :

The Government could have changed the colour of British passports back to blue at any time regardless of Brexit, it has emerged.

Theresa May described the decision to revert to the “iconic” colour as an “expression of our independence and sovereignty” away from the EU.

 

But the Home Office confirmed that the UK voluntarily adopted common passport criteria from the European Economic Community (EEC) and was not obliged to keep it.

Haha

[Not in Crawley]

6 hours ago, mickbrown said:

This stuff is meat and drink for fuckwits.

And once again you've sadly been proved right.

I swear folk actually don't look at stuff like numbers and facts anymore, ironic really given they are at folks fingertips.

I liked it when they were fashionable.

Anyway, file on 4 on radio 4 at the moment about young people, UK criminal gangs and the crisis at hotels at the moment due to poor prosessing at the home office. Worth a listen. 

[Farrelli]

17 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

I sent a mate a picture of it. He genuinely thought I was taking the piss. 

It is politics for numpties. They are appealing to a very unique part of the electorate, to put it politely.

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

And once again you've sadly been proved right.

I swear folk actually don't look at stuff like numbers and facts anymore, ironic really given they are at folks fingertips.

I liked it when they were fashionable.

Anyway, file on 4 on radio 4 at the moment about young people, UK criminal gangs and the crisis at hotels at the moment due to poor prosessing at the home office. Worth a listen. 

Well @royal white is riding to your rescue with the numbers any minute now.

He’s a big advocate of showing your working out. So you’re going to look a right pumpkin shortly.

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

It is politics for numpties. They are appealing to a very unique part of the electorate, to put it politely.

You mean the ones who voted for them and gave them 80 plus majority… it is the government duty to fulfil the election promise and stop it. 

[Spider]

🚨 New lectern Klaxon 🚨

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You mean the ones who voted for them and gave them 80 plus majority… it is the government duty to fulfil the election promise and stop it. 

Didn't they vote to get Brexit done? 

Concerns about immigration have actually dropped quite low in the polls in recent years - issues like the NHS, cost of living and climate change are higher. 

Recent polls show immigration is a top 3 issue for around 30 % of the electorate. Hardly a pressing issue for the majority. 

[Farrelli]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You mean the ones who voted for them and gave them 80 plus majority… it is the government duty to fulfil the election promise and stop it. 

Immigration has gone up so they have done the opposite of what they said. It just looks desperate ill thought out nonsense.

Edited March 7, 2023 by Farrelli

[ErnestTurnip]

This mon is an Estonian politician and nothing at all to do with the 350 million illegal immigrants over here. Just felt it needed sharing because, well just because.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, ErnestTurnip said:

This mon is an Estonian politician and nothing at all to do with the 350 million illegal immigrants over here. Just felt it needed sharing because, well just because.

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You mean the ones who voted for them and gave them 80 plus majority… it is the government duty to fulfil the election promise and stop it. 

I did say most.......

[Cheese]

Incredible. 😂

Edited March 7, 2023 by Cheese

[Jol_BWFC]

2 hours ago, Gonk said:

They didn't even need to take it back, it was voluntary and they could have reversed it  :

The Government could have changed the colour of British passports back to blue at any time regardless of Brexit, it has emerged.

Theresa May described the decision to revert to the “iconic” colour as an “expression of our independence and sovereignty” away from the EU.

 

But the Home Office confirmed that the UK voluntarily adopted common passport criteria from the European Economic Community (EEC) and was not obliged to keep it.

Plus they did a Winehouse and changed them back to black. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by Jol_BWFC

[Wanderlust]

Food shortage? What food shortage?

 

[Wanderlust]

5 hours ago, Gonk said:

They didn't even need to take it back, it was voluntary and they could have reversed it  :

The Government could have changed the colour of British passports back to blue at any time regardless of Brexit, it has emerged.

Theresa May described the decision to revert to the “iconic” colour as an “expression of our independence and sovereignty” away from the EU.

 

But the Home Office confirmed that the UK voluntarily adopted common passport criteria from the European Economic Community (EEC) and was not obliged to keep it.

This was widely known at the time - we could use whatever we wanted for passports. Or currency.

Without leaving the EU we could also have ...

* tightened up immigration control generally and strengthened the criteria for work visas including for those coming from Schengen nations (see Germany for example)

* actually enforced our own laws regarding immigration and clamped down on illegal immigration

* reset our own criteria for access to and the level of benefits and the healthcare system

..and a bunch of other stuff that the Leave campaign falsely claimed the EU was stopping us from doing when in reality it was our own government.

[bolty58]

14 hours ago, Sweep said:

out of interest, I know you think the Tory party can do no wrong......why do you think they're not pushing for us to exit the ECHR?

Quite simply because they have gravitated to a position on many things which has them the thickness of a cigarette paper from the Labour party.

Don't be surprised when the inevitable meddling from ECHR and their Strasbourg backers in this prompts them to include leaving the ECHR in their manifesto for the next GE.

No intention of seeing it through of course, simply an attempt at vote winning. Far too centre left these days to be seen to be getting out of a virtue signallers dreamboat.

 

[bolty58]

8 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

France has already declared the uk as being too soft. Therefore the will be happy at measures to toughen up, won't they. 

On the other hand France continues to allow migrants to mass near the beaches, so their own record on removing them isn't great, this despite the fact that they refuse far more asylum applications than we do.

The number they allow to claim asylum, like any nation is their decision. If they have the space, infrastructure etc, then they'll manage perfectly well.

As an aside, we (the UK) uphold more ECHR decisions than others, at around 80%. Germany around 60% and Spain around 40%. Haven't got other nations' figures, but this confirms what was previously reported.

This, of itself, means the debate around being in or out of it is to an extent irrelevant, just do what is right for us. Works for others.

All Macron has to do is to agree to us turning the boats back and returning them to French beaches. Worked down here and will work there too - especially allied with the fact that any who manage to slip through the net are going to Rwanda anyway. Which economic migrant is going to pay people smugglers for a very low percentage chance of actually succeeding in finding a new life in the UK?

Further, Macrons problem will recede. They will stop coming.

Best of all, no more mass drownings in the English Channel

Win-win-win. Pointless discussing this with international socialists though. They will be on here shortly to bleat about these poor souls (read Albanian gangsters) risking all to escape oppression. Bleeding heart liberals.

[Spider]

I can’t find any details about the logistics of the plan.

Lets say a boat lands on a beach in Kent.

Currently we process whoever is in the boat and then it’s hotels, rapes, pensions etc..

Under the new law, is the intention to simply put them on a ferry and kick them off at Calais? Because I would assume the French would say “non! ils sont ton problème maintenant”

so these immigrants would then be put on a ferry and sent by the French to Dover?

That can’t be the plan?

[Ani]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

I can’t find any details about the logistics of the plan.

Lets say a boat lands on a beach in Kent.

Currently we process whoever is in the boat and then it’s hotels, rapes, pensions etc..

Under the new law, is the intention to simply put them on a ferry and kick them off at Calais? Because I would assume the French would say “non! ils sont ton problème maintenant”

so these immigrants would then be put on a ferry and sent by the French to Dover?

That can’t be the plan?

I think the idea is that it will be like the log flume at Alton Towers so there will be a constantly rotating number of transport pods, you will jump in one in France, pay your smuggler £50000 then when you get out in the UK you will join the queue for the return journey. You will repeat the process in France.

At the risk of repeating myself instead of coming up with yet another contentious legal process  that 'lefty lawyers' will pull apart we could maybe consider actually processing the asylum applications we have and either sending folk back through established legal routes for failed asylum seekers or letting them in so they can do some work and earn their gold bound pensions . 

[Traf]

Rwanda? Fucking Rwanda?

Why are they constantly being mentioned as a solution to the crisis?

Almost 46,000 migrants crossed the channel last year : Rwanda are only in a position to accept 200, so what's the point?

 

[Casino]

Theres probably a secret technology solution

It was devised for NI but oddly enough, it hasnt seen the light of day

Maybe theyll wheel it out now

[Not in Crawley]

53 minutes ago, Spider said:

I can’t find any details about the logistics of the plan.

Lets say a boat lands on a beach in Kent.

Currently we process whoever is in the boat and then it’s hotels, rapes, pensions etc..

Under the new law, is the intention to simply put them on a ferry and kick them off at Calais? Because I would assume the French would say “non! ils sont ton problème maintenant”

so these immigrants would then be put on a ferry and sent by the French to Dover?

That can’t be the plan?

Pretty much. 

I had to give newscast a listen to fully wrap my head around what they ate actually proposing.

It's not that much different to the 40 odd other things they have tried to do, it's just so they can grab a few headlines and tick that 'pledge' box.

If they'd actually sort out the Home Office and start processing people correctly and get rid of the backlog it would massively help the countey and the immigrants. But that's boring administration and doesn't get the people they are looking to get supporting this all revved up.

13 years of total disfunction on a non existence immigration policies (i think my favourite was the jet ski one) and trying to pick non existence quarrels with partnership countries that would help have taken us to this particularly grim point.

 

 

[royal white]

How many other Countries have safe and legal routes for asylum seekers and what is it they do to make them safe and legal? 

[Not in Crawley]

32 minutes ago, royal white said:

How many other Countries have safe and legal routes for asylum seekers and what is it they do to make them safe and legal? 

Google is your friend..

[gonzo]

If they were passing through us to Ireland we'd make it as safe and legal as possible.