Politics

[Farrelli]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Voted Labour all my life, but stopped under the Corbyn regime, seems sensible politics returning to the Labour party, I welcome that and hope it lasts.  

Well done. You just need to acknowledge that brexit was a terrible idea for the UK economy and your rehabilitation is complete.

[mickbrown]

5 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Let’s hope that when Labour win they do a cracking job, keep the left under control and the country ends up the winner… might not happen but the Tories had their time in the sun and gradually got worse, the nepotism and giving money to their own had always been an issue but the last few years it’s at another level, it’s them first and the country a very poor second. 

Correct.

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Well done. You just need to acknowledge that brexit was a terrible idea for the UK economy and your rehabilitation is complete.

You need to check who is in recession and who is not, how low our unemployment is and the number of jobs and quality of  available for our kids... its bonanza time for those kids like my lad who has been offered a number of top jobs with paid for degree apprenticeships because companies have decided to train up their own staff rather than import qualified workers. Freedom of movement ending played a big part.      

Edited June 7 by Mounts Kipper

[Not in Crawley]

To be fair to Mounts, he's always said he's been a lifelong Labour voter and felt very let down, like many did and I don't blame him for that, the Labour party have the shoulder a lot of the blame as well for allowing the past 13 years to pass with a lot of it unchallenged.

It took Starmer a long time to root out some of the worst aspects of the party and to make them a credible electable opposition which now seems to be bearing fruit.

However, let's not forget that Sunak and Stamer are level pegging on their own popularity means there is still a lot of work to be done.

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

To be fair to Mounts, he's always said he's been a lifelong Labour voter and felt very let down, like many did and I don't blame him for that, the Labour party have the shoulder a lot of the blame as well for allowing the past 13 years to pass with a lot of it unchallenged.

It took Starmer a long time to root out some of the worst aspects of the party and to make them a credible electable opposition which now seems to be bearing fruit.

However, let's not forget that Sunak and Stamer are level pegging on their own popularity means there is still a lot of work to be done.

Correct on this add to the fact he does not want to spend time needlessly reversing Brexit, time better spent shaping the relationship and smoothing the trading bumps for the better.  

[Cheese]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You need to check who is in recession and who is not, how low our unemployment is and the number of jobs and quality of  available for our kids... its bonanza time for those kids like my lad who has been offered a number of top jobs with paid for degree apprenticeships because companies have decided to train up their own staff rather than import qualified workers. Freedom of movement ending played a big part.      

Germany are in recession because of their long-term over-reliance on Russian gas. What about all the other EU countries who AREN'T in recession, and are recovering from the pandemic better than we are? I strongly suspect your lad would have been offered those jobs whether we were in the EU or not. You and I did alright, didn't we? Unless you're suggesting he's only been offered them because there's less competition? In which case, bloody hell - what an endorsement of his intelligence...

Edited June 7 by Cheese

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Germany are in recession because of their long-term over-reliance on Russian gas. What about all the other EU countries who AREN'T in recession, and are recovering from the pandemic better than we are? I strongly suspect your lad would have been offered those jobs whether we were in the EU or not. You and I did alright, didn't we? Unless you're suggesting he's only been offered them because there's less competition? In which case, bloody hell - what an endorsement of his intelligence...

Indeed and it is harder for our youngsters to work in the EU as well now due to visa issues. Not to mention we haven’t seen one useful brexit benefit yet. 

[Mounts Kipper]

51 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Germany are in recession because of their long-term over-reliance on Russian gas. What about all the other EU countries who AREN'T in recession, and are recovering from the pandemic better than we are? I strongly suspect your lad would have been offered those jobs whether we were in the EU or not. You and I did alright, didn't we? Unless you're suggesting he's only been offered them because there's less competition? In which case, bloody hell - what an endorsement of his intelligence...

But in recession all the same, they are the main driver of the EU economy. Who is recovering quicker than we are? Last time I looked unemployment was higher virtually right across Europe. Less foreign workers means that vacancies at record levels, in turn that means UK companies have to train their own bright talent... that means more opportunities' for our kids. All benefits of Brexit.

   

[Mounts Kipper]

46 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Indeed and it is harder for our youngsters to work in the EU as well now due to visa issues. Not to mention we haven’t seen one useful brexit benefit yet. 

Anyone with a job offer can go and work in the EU, it is not a closed door, you will have to do better than that. for benefits see my post above. Even Jeremy knew enough to want to leave.

 

Edited June 7 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Anyone with a job offer can go and work in the EU, it is not a closed door, you will have to do better than that. for benefits see my post above. Even Jeremy knew enough to want to leave.

 

My son wants to teach in Italy during his year out but since brexit the visa regulations are far harder so it is a real issue. As for other things I have a list as long as my arm. Community projects receiving far less funding all over the UK, fruit farms no longer producing berries due to labour shortages, some fields of produce rotting in the UK due to labour shortages, food shortages due to EU companies preferentially serving their home markets, food price increases harder here than the EU, no proper planning in place for how ports will cope with new import regs for EU food imports in October, Northern Ireland parliament at a standstill over the protocol, etc etc etc etc etc etc. 

let me know when you have thought of a benefit😂

[Cheese]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

But in recession all the same, they are the main driver of the EU economy. Who is recovering quicker than we are? Last time I looked unemployment was higher virtually right across Europe. Less foreign workers means that vacancies at record levels, in turn that means UK companies have to train their own bright talent... that means more opportunities' for our kids. All benefits of Brexit.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/#:~:text=(GDP growth over the course,in 2020 and early 2021.

Unemployment is low because we pay people poverty wages and class people on Zero-hour contracts as "employed".

Edited June 7 by Cheese

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

But in recession all the same, they are the main driver of the EU economy. Who is recovering quicker than we are? Last time I looked unemployment was higher virtually right across Europe. Less foreign workers means that vacancies at record levels, in turn that means UK companies have to train their own bright talent... that means more opportunities' for our kids. All benefits of Brexit.

   

less foreign workers, yet immigration at an all time high - that's just bonkers

Whilst I don't think it's as terrible as some would have us believe, I also don't believe the situation is almost perfect, and everything is as planned/predicted, as you seem to allude to.

[Cheese]

19 minutes ago, Sweep said:

less foreign workers, yet immigration at an all time high - that's just bonkers

Whilst I don't think it's as terrible as some would have us believe, I also don't believe the situation is almost perfect, and everything is as planned/predicted, as you seem to allude to.

The Government have taken the stance of not processing a single migrant any more, hence them all being shacked up in hotels unable to work/be sent home/arrested/whatever. It's an absolute fucking disgrace. The only reasoning I've seen is it being a tactic to whip up the anti-immigrant crowd ahead of the next election.

 

 

Edited June 7 by Cheese

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/#:~:text=(GDP growth over the course,in 2020 and early 2021.

Unemployment is low because we pay people poverty wages and class people on Zero-hour contracts as "employed".

It’s now 2023… not 2020. Wages reflect skill levels, less unemployment here in uk driving wage increase.. another Brexit benefit. 

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s now 2023… not 2020. Wages reflect skill levels, less unemployment here in uk driving wage increase.. another Brexit benefit. 

Look in the top left of the chart. Just under the word "real". Read the first 3 words of the report.

Edited June 7 by Cheese

[Mounts Kipper]

2 hours ago, Farrelli said:

My son wants to teach in Italy during his year out but since brexit the visa regulations are far harder so it is a real issue. As for other things I have a list as long as my arm. Community projects receiving far less funding all over the UK, fruit farms no longer producing berries due to labour shortages, some fields of produce rotting in the UK due to labour shortages, food shortages due to EU companies preferentially serving their home markets, food price increases harder here than the EU, no proper planning in place for how ports will cope with new import regs for EU food imports in October, Northern Ireland parliament at a standstill over the protocol, etc etc etc etc etc etc. 

let me know when you have thought of a benefit😂

If he has a job to go to he’d get a visa. We now control our own spending rather than send it to the EU for a haircut… this means our votes here in the uk count and we can vote out parties that we don’t agree with on where the money is spent.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

If he has a job to go to he’d get a visa. We now control our own spending rather than send it to the EU for a haircut… this means our votes here in the uk count and we can vote out parties that we don’t agree with on where the money is spent.

When could you NOT vote out parties whose fiscal policies you didn't agree with?

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Look in the top left of the chart. Just under the word "real".

Same as Germany… what’s your point? 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Same as Germany… what’s your point? 

Never mind Mounts. 🤦‍♂️

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Cheese said:

Never mind Mounts. 🤦‍♂️

You are trying to prove Brexit is to blame and post a chart to show Germany have same lack of growth as uk… have the Germans left the EU nd I’ve missed it? 

[Winchester White]

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You are trying to prove Brexit is to blame and post a chart to show Germany have same lack of growth as uk… have the Germans left the EU nd I’ve missed it? 

You deliberately miss the point that Germany has been massively hit by the gas and oil embargo. What about the rest of comparable EU countries?

[Mounts Kipper]

18 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

You deliberately miss the point that Germany has been massively hit by the gas and oil embargo. What about the rest of comparable EU countries?

Make all the excuse for Germany you like, the fact is they are in recession and growth is no better than ours. 

[Winchester White]

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Make all the excuse for Germany you like, the fact is they are in recession and growth is no better than ours. 

If the roles were flipped I would expect the same reasonable response. They have lost 40% of their gas imports since the invasion, we just had 4% and see how that affected our energy prices.

Germany is a huge manufacturer so energy prices are of a massive importance, hence why they sought cheap Russian gas for so long. They have now realised their mistake and are paying dearly for it.

So, given their nightmare, what on earth could be the reason we are the same as Germany in terms of growth?

[Cheese]

13 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

If the roles were flipped I would expect the same reasonable response. They have lost 40% of their gas imports since the invasion, we just had 4% and see how that affected our energy prices.

Germany is a huge manufacturer so energy prices are of a massive importance, hence why they sought cheap Russian gas for so long. They have now realised their mistake and are paying dearly for it.

So, given their nightmare, what on earth could be the reason we are the same as Germany in terms of growth?

You may as well tell the nearest brick wall.

[Mounts Kipper]

15 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

If the roles were flipped I would expect the same reasonable response. They have lost 40% of their gas imports since the invasion, we just had 4% and see how that affected our energy prices.

Germany is a huge manufacturer so energy prices are of a massive importance, hence why they sought cheap Russian gas for so long. They have now realised their mistake and are paying dearly for it.

So, given their nightmare, what on earth could be the reason we are the same as Germany in terms of growth?

You can say the similar about the UK being heavily service based we struggled over covid, none of the EU countries are pulling trees up, certainly our performance compared to the other EU countries isn’t a reason for ripping up Brexit and starting again… yes let’s continue to negotiate with the EU and make it easier for us to export, something along the lines of how we are dealing with EU imports using a soft touch…. I await the EU to begin acting sensibly.