Politics

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

What I do find odd is that folk like you, never, ever mentioned how obstructionist the civil service is/was until it suits....be honest, prior to the last year or two, have you ever mentioned it in the last 40+ years? 

It's like all of a sudden, because you've been brainwashed into thinking Reform are a proper alternative, you want PR in voting, again, I can almost guarantee you've never wanted it before, whilst the Conservative Party win almost every time

Folk like me?  There are none (nor like you although a few come close to you on here it seems).

Brainwashed? Do fuck off. You know where I stand. A Conservative Party with true Conservative values rather than the woke affected centrists we have at present who are very close to former hard left Starmers centrists in terms of tax take, big government etc. Reform is the best chance of effecting this change. Reformed Conservatives. Has a nice ring to it. Hail the disruptor.

'Almost guarantee'? Are you being indecisive?

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

Honestly, this shows how far adrift you are with regards to modern day politics in the UK

The imminent defeat is absolutely fuck all to do with the length of tenure. Absolutely fuck all. 

Fucking horse shit. A factor whether you like it or not.

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

No, that was May

Like fuck it was. It was September.

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

Bolty isn't great in his PM predictions

This is true. You would think I would have learned to spot the signs by now. She can be a right moody fucker leading up to it.

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

I know, recently, I'm sure he'll admit himself, he's been absolutely awful. 

 I'll have sleepless nights now.

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

I doubt it 

Good lad. Doubt everything, trust no one. Things are often not what they seem.

[Spider]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

I think we're going to need to fight Russia quite soon.

I'm surprised spending on the military hasn't been higher up the political agenda in this election so far. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn00e422yr2o

It’s inevitable.

Putin will go after a Baltic state at some point (Estonia probably) and that will drag nato into it. And every fucker else.

the world needs rid of Putin as soon as we can.

[gonzo]

https://news.sky.com/story/penny-mordaunt-sinks-her-stilettos-into-pms-back-during-debate-sunak-should-see-her-as-a-threat-13149666

 

A good report on the debate.

Looks like Labour need to bring their A game to the next one.

 

 

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

https://news.sky.com/story/penny-mordaunt-sinks-her-stilettos-into-pms-back-during-debate-sunak-should-see-her-as-a-threat-13149666

 

A good report on the debate.

Looks like Labour need to bring their A game to the next one.

 

 

Dunno - as a someone on the today programme said, it's like they're 3-0 up in a European tie - just keep it tight for the home leg and they're there - just avoid any fuck ups, don't say anything that the press can nail them on the day after.

Now really is the time to be bland, and keep letting the Tories make the mistakes - they have to do all the chasing.

[Casino]

11 hours ago, gonzo said:

Some guy on Ian Dale before on LBC convinced there's a conspiracy from within the Conservatives to make it as big of a shit show as possible.

Must say it's all borderline parody now.

Id like somebody to ask Sunak whether hes all in on tories getting less than 100 seats

[Mounts Kipper]

6 hours ago, Spider said:

It’s inevitable.

Putin will go after a Baltic state at some point (Estonia probably) and that will drag nato into it. And every fucker else.

the world needs rid of Putin as soon as we can.

It’s not inevitable I think it’s highly unlikely, don’t think putin is that stupid. 

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Id like somebody to ask Sunak whether hes all in on tories getting less than 100 seats

I'm still on a 50/60 seat majority for Labour - things will no doubt tighten but the D Day mess will have changed things.

[Dimron]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

https://news.sky.com/story/penny-mordaunt-sinks-her-stilettos-into-pms-back-during-debate-sunak-should-see-her-as-a-threat-13149666

 

A good report on the debate.

Looks like Labour need to bring their A game to the next one.

 

 

I looked in just as the Blue corner started spouting the £2,000 line and the Red corner stared gobbin' off at her... shouting away like couple of slappers in Yates' (it was Friday night after all)... turned off after that and read my book 

[Zico]

37 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm still on a 50/60 seat majority for Labour - things will no doubt tighten but the D Day mess will have changed things.

Aye they can now say good bye to the Brexit vote that got them in last time

[ZiggyStardust]

20 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I looked in just as the Blue corner started spouting the £2,000 line and the Red corner stared gobbin' off at her... shouting away like couple of slappers in Yates' (it was Friday night after all)... turned off after that and read my book 

The only two that came out with any credit were the Scotcher & Welsher blokes.

If after the Leader head to head, and that last night, this is the best we can offer, theres no real hope for the immediate future.

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

The only two that came out with any credit were the Scotcher & Welsher blokes.

If after the Leader head to head, and that last night, this is the best we can offer, theres no real hope for the immediate future.

Televised debates always descend into farce, especially when they invent daft rules like "Your answer must be 45 seconds long". I wouldn't take any of them very seriously.

Edited June 8, 2024 by Cheese

[Dimron]

40 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

The only two that came out with any credit were the Scotcher & Welsher blokes.

If after the Leader head to head, and that last night, this is the best we can offer, theres no real hope for the immediate future.

We should start a thread "Which is the best policy you have heard so far?" or something like that... I'm afraid mine was from Reform suggesting we reduce or zero income tax for NHS and Care front line workers, "Why didn't I think of that?" was my immediate thought.

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s not inevitable I think it’s highly unlikely, don’t think putin is that stupid. 

I disagree. Russia has mobilised and is on a war footing such that it could keep this up for years and expand the fight. Sanctions haven't worked because of high high oil prices. 

If this all remains attritional then sooner or later Ukraine is going to fall without direct intervention from the West. 

And if Trump gets re-elected then there's enough doubt about the US and their backbone that it will fall to the UK, Germany, France and Poland to resist.

We're not taking this problem anywhere near seriously enough I'm my opinion. I really want to see some honesty from the party leaders about the situation we're in - and what their strategy is. Over and above sending our ever dwindling supplies.

Europe needs to get on a war footing too I'm afraid. And quickly. 

[ZiggyStardust]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

I disagree. Russia has mobilised and is on a war footing such that it could keep this up for years and expand the fight. Sanctions haven't worked because of high high oil prices. 

If this all remains attritional then sooner or later Ukraine is going to fall without direct intervention from the West. 

And if Trump gets re-elected then there's enough doubt about the US and their backbone that it will fall to the UK, Germany, France and Poland to resist.

We're not taking this problem anywhere near seriously enough I'm my opinion. I really want to see some honesty from the party leaders about the situation we're in - and what their strategy is. Over and above sending our ever dwindling supplies.

Europe needs to get on a war footing too I'm afraid. And quickly. 

'Vote for us, and we'll take you to war'

That is how it would be seen. And thats why its hardly spoken about, other than 2%, 2.5%, 3% whatever.

 

[Sweep]

51 minutes ago, Dimron said:

We should start a thread "Which is the best policy you have heard so far?" or something like that... I'm afraid mine was from Reform suggesting we reduce or zero income tax for NHS and Care front line workers, "Why didn't I think of that?" was my immediate thought.

Nah, just pay them a decent wage in the first place

[Dimron]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Nah, just pay them a decent wage in the first place

Then take it back in tax!!!!

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I disagree. Russia has mobilised and is on a war footing such that it could keep this up for years and expand the fight. Sanctions haven't worked because of high high oil prices. 

If this all remains attritional then sooner or later Ukraine is going to fall without direct intervention from the West. 

And if Trump gets re-elected then there's enough doubt about the US and their backbone that it will fall to the UK, Germany, France and Poland to resist.

We're not taking this problem anywhere near seriously enough I'm my opinion. I really want to see some honesty from the party leaders about the situation we're in - and what their strategy is. Over and above sending our ever dwindling supplies.

Europe needs to get on a war footing too I'm afraid. And quickly. 

He can’t finish Ukraine off he’s not going to risk a war against nato countries. 

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

We should start a thread "Which is the best policy you have heard so far?" or something like that... I'm afraid mine was from Reform suggesting we reduce or zero income tax for NHS and Care front line workers, "Why didn't I think of that?" was my immediate thought.

You'd immediately drive a huge wedge between front line staff and none front line staff. 

And a lot of people who are no longer 'front line' - were front line but were promoted into management positions because they excelled at their jobs. 

So you'd get a clamour for pay recognition for those people too. 

It sounds good in principle - and it would no doubt be a vote winner (because at face value it sounds reasonable) - but in reality would be a mess! 

[kent_white]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He can’t finish Ukraine off he’s not going to risk a war against nato countries. 

Not while NATO has got the backing of the US. Which can no longer be counted on sadly.

And Russia are rebuilding more effectively than we all like to admit in the West.

They will achieve their objectives in Ukraine at some point without Western intervention. In my armchair general opinion of course.

[Sweep]

38 minutes ago, kent_white said:

 

It sounds good in principle - and it would no doubt be a vote winner (because at face value it sounds reasonable) - but in reality would be a mess! 

Welcome to "Reform" and their ridiculous soundbite policies 😁