Politics

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

😅 Most of the deals done by the Tories were the same as what we had as an EU member.  Some new ones have given free trade benefits to countries such as Australia at the expense of our own farming industry.  Our best way forward is to remove some of the barriers we imposed on our selves with our nearest and most important trading partnership, which is the EU. 

The problem the Tories had with negotiating new deals was that given they had to prove they were doing a good job on Brexit they were in a really weak position as they had to get deals done.

The advantage Labour should have is they can be closer to the EU and so are not as desperate to do 'other' deals. So in theory should be able to get deals done. 

 

[Winchester White]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

The problem the Tories had with negotiating new deals was that given they had to prove they were doing a good job on Brexit they were in a really weak position as they had to get deals done.

The advantage Labour should have is they can be closer to the EU and so are not as desperate to do 'other' deals. So in theory should be able to get deals done. 

 

But why would Australia for example who got a great deal be willing to change that deal?

Or are you talking about future deals with other countries?

Not withstanding the environmental impact of moving supply chains to counties the other side of the world I just can't see us breaking any great deals with anyone.

[Ani]

25 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

But why would Australia for example who got a great deal be willing to change that deal?

Or are you talking about future deals with other countries?

Not withstanding the environmental impact of moving supply chains to counties the other side of the world I just can't see us breaking any great deals with anyone.

Future deals. 

[Winchester White]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Future deals. 

Well they can't get any worse than the ones Boris & Liz signed off I suppose.

[bolty58]

The shite is starting to emerge.

True to paternal form, IRA sympathies to the fore as Labours Hillary Benn announces an enquiry into the assassination of an IRA lawyer. "Collusion with security forces". Right then, what about the hundreds of unsolved murders. An enquiry for each one? Thought not.

Labour will launch 'an assault' on unscrupulous landlords. I wonder if that includes their very own hyperlandlord? Can understand why he would take some action now. Obviously forewarned is forearmed. "Get your mouldy, damp ridden hovels into better condition before we announce this".

Career criminals out on the streets early to make way for protestors which lean in any way, no matter how marginally, to right of centre.

Starmers Britain. Vote Labour. You know it makes sense.

[gonzo]

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 

Starmers Britain. Vote Labour. You know it makes sense.

The country was left with no choice after 14 years of implosion. 

 

[Sweep]

37 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The country was left with no choice after 14 years of implosion. 

 

Sad but true. No matter how bad it seems at the minute, it's still better than having those dicks (who I usually vote for) have another 5 years lining their own pockets. Sadly, this is the issue with a 2 party system

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

Sad but true. No matter how bad it seems at the minute, it's still better than having those dicks (who I usually vote for) have another 5 years lining their own pockets. Sadly, this is the issue with a 2 party system

Same in reverse when Labour elected Corbyn. Pretty much left an open goal with an unelectable opposition. That's one dangerous animal.

Will be the same now. The Tories fuck ups have created a monster.

 

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Same in reverse when Labour elected Corbyn. Pretty much left an open goal with an unelectable opposition. That's one dangerous animal.

Will be the same now. The Tories fuck ups have created a monster.

 

They have, they let Reform in, which will continue to take enough of their votes, without actually causing Labour a problem. May/Johnson/Truss/Sunak leading the Tory Party (and remember, there was at least 1 new Churchill and 1 new Thatcher in that lot) and then Farage rocking up, has caused a perfect storm, and basically given Labour the keys to #10 - in reality, all Labour had to do, was not be the Conservatives, and it guaranteed them the victory.

I'm wondering if Farage will actually do anything, I know Reform voters were hoping that he'd stir things up at bit. Let's see if he actually bothers to turn up first, as I suspect he won't actually be spending much time in Parliament, now that he's finally won a seat.

The next appointment for leader of the Conservative Party is key as well, hopefully this time, they will get somebody in who can align the party, stop the infighting, and become a proper opposition party, because that's what we need, desperately.

[BobyBrno]

https://www.ft.com/content/7f686444-7036-4efc-82c5-971b0f3929fa
 

They’d never lie or mislead. Would they?

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

https://www.ft.com/content/7f686444-7036-4efc-82c5-971b0f3929fa
 

They’d never lie or mislead. Would they?

First paragraph of the article:

The UK Treasury is refusing to provide key details of the £22bn fiscal “black hole” that chancellor Rachel Reeves claims to have discovered, with officials insisting they need more time to ensure the figures are accurate.

[BobyBrno]

Maybe Labour should have waited ‘to ensure the figures are accurate’

[kent_white]

The Darzi report into the state of the NHS was published this morning. 

Long document but it's worth reading the summary on the first couple of pages of you're interested.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-investigation-of-the-nhs-in-england

[RoadRunnerFan]

12 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Maybe Labour should have waited ‘to ensure the figures are accurate’

Nah better plastering it on the side of a great big red bus and asking questions later.

[BobyBrno]

Not read the NHS report as doing some packing. Heard and read some comments this morning on the news though. This may (or may not sum it up). I’m very happy that reform rather than more spending is being talked about though.

 

[Cheese]

24 minutes ago, kent_white said:

The Darzi report into the state of the NHS was published this morning. 

Long document but it's worth reading the summary on the first couple of pages of you're interested.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-investigation-of-the-nhs-in-england

That is grim reading.

[Winchester White]

A more accurate way of showing NHS spend is per capita. Same for GDP but no one ever talks about it as we like to shout about being the 5th/6th biggest economy.

Reform of the NHS is of course needed but until they fix social care I fear we're just tinkering around the edges.  Staff shortages also, agency spend is ridiculous.

[gonzo]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Not read the NHS report as doing some packing. Heard and read some comments this morning on the news though. This may (or may not sum it up). I’m very happy that reform rather than more spending is being talked about though.

 

It's always been the problem.

It's the way it's managed and ran, not the amount spent on it.

It's a bottomless pit.

The whole system just hemorrhages money from top to bottom. 

[kent_white]

57 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It's always been the problem.

It's the way it's managed and ran, not the amount spent on it.

It's a bottomless pit.

The whole system just hemorrhages money from top to bottom. 

We're directed to run it a certain way by central government. Otherwise we don't get any money.

[kent_white]

3 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Not read the NHS report as doing some packing. Heard and read some comments this morning on the news though. This may (or may not sum it up). I’m very happy that reform rather than more spending is being talked about though.

 

It's not necessarily new patients starting treatment that's costing the money. It's dealing with the ones who are already in our care and with nowhere to put them. Which is one of the main factors highlighted on the report. 

Have a read maybe and see what you think?

[kent_white]

3 hours ago, Cheese said:

That is grim reading.

Yep. It's about right though.......

[DazBob]

20 minutes ago, kent_white said:

It's not necessarily new patients starting treatment that's costing the money. It's dealing with the ones who are already in our care and with nowhere to put them. Which is one of the main factors highlighted on the report. 

Have a read maybe and see what you think?

He's busy packing.

[Ani]

The problem with reform in the NHS is IMO at a very high level there are some very simple solutions, but the detail is incredibly complex and there are a lot of vested interest.

Example of what I mean, there are basically three steps

1 Pre Hospital (lowest cost )

2 Hospital (most expensive )

3 Post Hospital (middle cost) 

So simply if you improve 1 and 3 and treat more people here it saves you a fortune.

So easy access to GPs for early diagnosis and Good after care to reduce hospital time. 
 

Unfortunately improving 1 and 3 whilst juggling the day to day needs is a massive job in terms of ££ and people.
 

Also integrating everything so for instance when I had my knee done earlier this year, my GP sent me for X-rays, these were emailed onto him, he had to download these and then email to the referral place, we then after agreeing treatment had to email to a specialist. Who had to download and go through same process. Each bit now had individual records for me and have to pass info between themselves rather than one central record. Millions and millions of records using storage.  Think mine was extra complicated as the specialist worked in a private hospital albeit for the NHS. I know there was a major project to sort GP systems but think that drowned in the complexity. 
 

But Tracey on Twitter will be complaining that two tier Kier has not sorted out the queues in A&E after Tyrone has cut his nose off robbing the chemists again,

 

 

[royal white]

Khans London 

 

 

[BobyBrno]

1 hour ago, DazBob said:

He's busy packing.

Thinly veiled, I’m jetting off and won’t give a shit for the foreseeable.👍