Politics

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

😊He ain’t upsetting me. He’s living up to all my expectations. 

This.

I'd hoped there was something positive to come from him and he has previously stood up to some of the more extreme elements in fairness.

Alas, it is just a continuation of the same; and if you're going to spout about decency etc, then make sure you have no skeletons of your own. Or at least make sure they are well and truly buried.

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This.

I'd hoped there was something positive to come from him and he has previously stood up to some of the more extreme elements in fairness.

Alas, it is just a continuation of the same; and if you're going to spout about decency etc, then make sure you have no skeletons of your own. Or at least make sure they are well and truly buried.

What are these "skeletons"? Donations from a Labour Peer, which have all been registered in accordance with the rules?

[mickbrown]

3 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

😊He ain’t upsetting me. He’s living up to all my expectations. 

Can I just remind you, you voted for Farage’s party. 😁

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

It's the perceived hypocrisy that grates with people, not whether it's within the rules

Well, that and people enjoying him and his ministers being hoist by their own petard

[Cheese]

Bingo.

 

 

[BobyBrno]

41 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Can I just remind you, you voted for Farage’s party. 😁

It’s a French thing. It won’t be long before we will be saying the same about voting Labour.😉

 

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

It’s a French thing. It won’t be long before we will be saying the same about voting Labour.😉

 

😂 Talk about deluded

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

What are these "skeletons"? Donations from a Labour Peer, which have all been registered in accordance with the rules?

I'm with you on this one Cheese. They're not skeletons if they're on the public record and you've declared them. 

I'm not really sure what people are getting so mithered about. 

Mind you - I was the same during the number 10 lockdown party 'scandle' which if anything was in a different stratosphere to this one. 

Honestly the big Kier Starmer pile on by the press all just seems a bit pathetic to me. Fair enough if they'd done some investigative journalism and uncovered something. But this is all there in black and white. Declared. 

Honest - no wonder we find it so hard to get anywhere as a country if this is the kind of minutiae we get upset about.

[Spider]

7 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

2 months ago, you thought I was a life long Labour supporter so I doubt your memory is that good. I’ve said on many occasions that they were bad but that this lot will be worse. I’ve seen nothing yet to change my mind. 
 

What has he done that’s so bad?

Are you - Mr Taxpayer - worse off as a result of his actions?

Is the public purse being pilfered by him?

[London Wanderer]

28 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'm with you on this one Cheese. They're not skeletons if they're on the public record and you've declared them. 

I'm not really sure what people are getting so mithered about. 

Mind you - I was the same during the number 10 lockdown party 'scandle' which if anything was in a different stratosphere to this one. 

Honestly the big Kier Starmer pile on by the press all just seems a bit pathetic to me. Fair enough if they'd done some investigative journalism and uncovered something. But this is all there in black and white. Declared. 

Honest - no wonder we find it so hard to get anywhere as a country if this is the kind of minutiae we get upset about.

Aye

Skeletons is a ridiculous exaggeration. 

I think it's poor from the Labour party though. They're earning enough not to accept these donations and should be leading by example. Especially if they're means testing the winter fuel payment. 

Absolutely nothing compared to the Covid parties though. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

25 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'm with you on this one Cheese. They're not skeletons if they're on the public record and you've declared them. 

I'm not really sure what people are getting so mithered about. 

Mind you - I was the same during the number 10 lockdown party 'scandle' which if anything was in a different stratosphere to this one. 

Honestly the big Kier Starmer pile on by the press all just seems a bit pathetic to me. Fair enough if they'd done some investigative journalism and uncovered something. But this is all there in black and white. Declared. 

Honest - no wonder we find it so hard to get anywhere as a country if this is the kind of minutiae we get upset about.

A lot of it is people politically opposed to Starmer enjoying watching him squirm

But the fact that it might've been declared isn't really the issue, it's mostly that there's a sense of hypocrisy 

He ran on a campaign of transparency and service but accepted hospitality tickets to a Taylor Swift concert from one of the interested parties in the Football Governance Bill, a bill which is still currently being debated

It's legitimate to ask questions regarding the intentions of the Premier League in offering that gift, and his decision to accept it

Also, he was rightly critical of the cronyism we witnessed under the previous governments yet the party's biggest donor was granted a pass to No.10 - an unusual step - for reasons that haven't really been made clear

Again, it's legitimate to ask questions surrounding exactly what influence Lord Alli has and what, if anything, he might be getting in return for his financial support (similar questions can probably also be asked about Sue Gray, who, despite not being an elected official, seems to be effectively acting as Deputy Prime Minister)

There's also people who are angry that he's accepted so many expensive gifts from donors and others whilst keeping the two-child benefit cap and scrapping the universal Winter Fuel Payment; however, I suppose that's just part and parcel of politics

The above clearly isn't yet on a par with the shenanigans of previous Tory governments, and probably only really interests the more politically engaged, but lost in the noise there is a story of substance

[kent_white]

22 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A lot of it is people politically opposed to Starmer enjoying watching him squirm

But the fact that it might've been declared isn't really the issue, it's mostly that there's a sense of hypocrisy 

He ran on a campaign of transparency and service but accepted hospitality tickets to a Taylor Swift concert from one of the interested parties in the Football Governance Bill, a bill which is still currently being debated

It's legitimate to ask questions regarding the intentions of the Premier League in offering that gift, and his decision to accept it

Also, he was rightly critical of the cronyism we witnessed under the previous governments yet the party's biggest donor was granted a pass to No.10 - an unusual step - for reasons that haven't really been made clear

Again, it's legitimate to ask questions surrounding exactly what influence Lord Alli has and what, if anything, he might be getting in return for his financial support (similar questions can probably also be asked about Sue Gray, who, despite not being an elected official, seems to be effectively acting as Deputy Prime Minister)

There's also people who are angry that he's accepted so many expensive gifts from donors and others whilst keeping the two-child benefit cap and scrapping the universal Winter Fuel Payment; however, I suppose that's just part and parcel of politics

The above clearly isn't yet on a par with the shenanigans of previous Tory governments, and probably only really interests the more politically engaged, but lost in the noise there is a story of substance

I agree with all of this. But I think your first sentence hits the nail on the head.

I completely agree that it's important for the press to hold politicians to account. But I just get a little weary of the constant need to make mountains out of molehills. Everything seems to be blown up into a 'crisis'. 

I'm much more interested in the bigger picture. But I think we tie ourselves up in knots and waste time on things that are inconsequential in the grander scheme. 

It's far too early to really assess Labour's time in office for me. And much too early to assess Keir Starmer's too. 

Maybe you're right. It's just part and parcel of politics?

[MancWanderer]

40 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I think it's poor from the Labour party though. They're earning enough not to accept these donations and should be leading by example. Especially if they're means testing the winter fuel payment. 

This. And what @Lt. Aldo Raine says above. Poor and silly to do what he did. Declared or not it slightly tarnishes him. Do I care? Not at this point. After the last few years I hope this government is really successful I genuinely do. My bigger worry is how he handles the internal factions and the unions moving forward. They will be the big tests not some freebies

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Trouble is, these freebies and unpopular policies are potentially going to empower and strengthen the resolve of the unions.

If they see weaknesses, they will use them.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

One thing worth mentioning about Duffield, is that in a regular working environment, the treatment of her by some of her colleagues would be a HR matter

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

One thing worth mentioning about Duffield, is that in a regular working environment, the treatment of her by some of her colleagues would be a HR matter

Such as?

[mickbrown]

5 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

It’s a French thing. It won’t be long before we will be saying the same about voting Labour.😉

 

I’ve no idea what that means. 

[Spider]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

I’ve no idea what that means. 

He’s willing Labour to fail so he can say he was right.

All governments fall eventually. As they should.

Their failure thus far has been to take a few gifts and declare them, as MP’s have done forever.

It’s like Alexander Lebedev never existed to a lot of people.

Still, some free T-shirts from Gucci are worth getting gleefully excited about.

[Casino]

So robert jenrick, youve had 75k donated, all declared. But just who are these people

Well, erm

 

Fuck off

[Casino]

https://news.sky.com/story/robert-jenrick-defends-75-000-donation-after-criticising-labour-in-freebies-row-13224393

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

So robert jenrick, youve had 75k donated, all declared. But just who are these people

Well, erm

 

Fuck off

Spoken like a true Keir Squirmer loyalist. Relax, this is only the start.

It will be shambolic by March next year and you'll be wondering whether or not to raise your head above the parapet.

[Farrelli]

14 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye

Skeletons is a ridiculous exaggeration. 

I think it's poor from the Labour party though. They're earning enough not to accept these donations and should be leading by example. Especially if they're means testing the winter fuel payment. 

Absolutely nothing compared to the Covid parties though. 

Covid parties was the tip of the iceberg though. I think the corruption of £millions to Tory friends and donors for dodgy PPE was disgraceful. The NHS desperately needed PPE and they were lining their pockets. 

[BobyBrno]

9 hours ago, Spider said:

He’s willing Labour to fail so he can say he was right.

All governments fall eventually. As they should.

Their failure thus far has been to take a few gifts and declare them, as MP’s have done forever.

It’s like Alexander Lebedev never existed to a lot of people.

Still, some free T-shirts from Gucci are worth getting gleefully excited about.

Wrong on all points. It’s not just about the freebies. I haven’t mentioned them only to say ‘there’s no such thing as a free lunch’ They have been very vociferous about them themselves though so it’s just plain hypocrisy. It’s the rest that is turning people against them. The wfa, negative forecasts for the economy, negative comments about the NHS, the Nom Dom lie, Millibands climate aid etc. None mentioned or discussed on here. We have a budget to come soon. It’ll only get worse. Stay away from the papers and news if it upsets you.

[Mounts Kipper]

I think it’s time to throw away the current political system in the UK it’s like a Punch and Judy show it’s time for PR, let’s get out of the dark ages and have a completely different politics. What with this weather, Labour/Tory bitching fest the trains, the roads hardly navigable, it’s become a tiresome place to live. 

Edited September 30 by Mounts Kipper

[mickbrown]

“In 6 years time you’ll still be moaning when everyone else has moved on”

”Constant moaning  about the result of a referendum 5 years ago achieves nothing”

And there’s plenty more where that came from😁