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6 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

Aye but the people who decide who is on the ballot paper, the European Council, are made up of our governments, who are ejected by European people 

Or is that wrong? 

It’s not wrong, but it’s pointless putting those names on the ballot paper if they don’t nominate the leading candidate. 

Or, are all those politicians in the EU complaining about it wrong ?

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I'll even name names. The following are massive cunts: Me. Bolty. Miami. Cheese. Kent. Casino. Kipper. Royal. Labour. Tories. Scotland. The Welsh. The EU. Americans. People from fucking Yorkshire

My last comment on this... There are people on here who apart from being Bolton fans I have nothing in common with & whose opinions I wheheartedly disagree with, however I would fight for their ri

The tories are fucking this country up good and proper. Not taking into account all the shit they're screwing up at home.   They took us into Brexit without any real plan of what it meant and have

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22 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

It’s not wrong, but it’s pointless putting those names on the ballot paper if they don’t nominate the leading candidate. 

Or, are all those politicians in the EU complaining about it wrong ?

My point is that it’s no more undemocratic than are own U.K. system, when it comes to filling the big jobs anyway

I can understand why the European Parliament would be complaining 

Then again I can understand why the European council (the member state governments), would want someone in with the right experience to do the job 

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1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

 

Then again I can understand why the European council (the member state governments), would want someone in with the right experience to do the job 

 

Spot on. She has "a perpetual whiff of scandal" about her and is deemed "incompetent" by her German peers through her disastrous handling of Germany's armed forces.

So she has the "right experience" OK. A scandal ridden bungling incompetent seems like the perfect CV in the eyes of the faceless bureaucrats scooping up wealth and, from where I am sitting, she seems to be perfectly suited to a corrupt and failing institution.

 

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43 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Boris for PM? 

 Guaranteed. He's over the line according to my feedback from Conservatives Abroad.

The sooner the better. A likeable (pro) rogue.

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2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

A scandal ridden bungling incompetent though 

 

Your opinion, certainly not mine.

Once again I have great hopes for a Churchillian type performance.

Instead of having a pop at one of our own you'd be better served firing shots at those corrupt shitbags over in Brussels.  Wouldn't suit your sycophantic Europhile agenda though, would it?

 

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Either way, you cant sell to the EU without following their rules

So stay in, stay out, come out, whatever, you will still need to follow their rules to ship your kippers in to the EU

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7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It is however in the EU customs union. 

It's not in the UK either. So how is the UK leaving the EU going to change anything for them? The Isle of Man is entirely unaffected.

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8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It's not in the UK either. So how is the UK leaving the EU going to change anything for them? The Isle of Man is entirely unaffected.

Or is it?

they seem to have been busy

https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/departments/cabinet-office/brexit-what-next-for-the-isle-of-man/brexit-faqs/?iomg-device=Mobile

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3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

So Brexit makes things worse for the Isle of Man, even though they're not part of the UK nor the EU. Wonderful.

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3 hours ago, Casino said:

Either way, you cant sell to the EU without following their rules

So stay in, stay out, come out, whatever, you will still need to follow their rules to ship your kippers in to the EU

 

Now that, to me, sounds like a great prospect for a new euphemism.

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Don't panic Mr Mainwaring 🤣 and to think folk reckon we're are prepared for No Deal

In another interview for the programme, the EU Commission's First Vice-President, Frans Timmermans, said UK ministers were "running around like idiots" when they arrived to negotiate Brexit in 2017.

Mr Timmermans said while he expected a "Harry Potter-like book of tricks" from ministers, instead they were like Lance Corporal Jones from Dad's Army.

In an interview in March 2019 with the BBC's Nick Robinson, Mr Timmermans said he found it "shocking" how unprepared the UK team was when it began negotiations.

"We thought they are so brilliant," he said. "That in some vault somewhere in Westminster there will be a Harry Potter-like book with all the tricks and all the things in it to do."

But after seeing the then-Brexit Secretary David Davis - who resigned over his disagreements with the deal - speaking in public, his mind changed.

"I saw him not coming, not negotiating, grandstanding elsewhere [and] I thought, 'Oh my God, they haven't got a plan, they haven't got a plan.'

"That was really shocking, frankly, because the damage if you don't have a plan...

"Time's running out and you don't have a plan. It's like Lance Corporal Jones, you know, 'Don't panic, don't panic!' Running around like idiots."

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Don't panic Mr Mainwaring 🤣 and to think folk reckon we're are prepared for No Deal

In another interview for the programme, the EU Commission's First Vice-President, Frans Timmermans, said UK ministers were "running around like idiots" when they arrived to negotiate Brexit in 2017.

Mr Timmermans said while he expected a "Harry Potter-like book of tricks" from ministers, instead they were like Lance Corporal Jones from Dad's Army.

In an interview in March 2019 with the BBC's Nick Robinson, Mr Timmermans said he found it "shocking" how unprepared the UK team was when it began negotiations.

"We thought they are so brilliant," he said. "That in some vault somewhere in Westminster there will be a Harry Potter-like book with all the tricks and all the things in it to do."

But after seeing the then-Brexit Secretary David Davis - who resigned over his disagreements with the deal - speaking in public, his mind changed.

"I saw him not coming, not negotiating, grandstanding elsewhere [and] I thought, 'Oh my God, they haven't got a plan, they haven't got a plan.'

"That was really shocking, frankly, because the damage if you don't have a plan...

"Time's running out and you don't have a plan. It's like Lance Corporal Jones, you know, 'Don't panic, don't panic!' Running around like idiots."

 

 

Well not to worry because we will shortly have Private Pike in charge. Stupid Boy:rofl:

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Just now, Farrelli said:

Well not to worry because we will shortly have Private Pike in charge. Stupid Boy:rofl:

Apparently we haven't got many trained negotiators to manage all these trade deals either, it's going to take us a few years to get a team together. I hope Johnson has a master plan🙏 

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Thing is, they would say that, irrespective of whether it was true.

Just gearing up for the next round.

Fwiw, I reckon there's probably some truth in it: when you listen to brexit oriented MPs and ministers talk, it is clear TM went her own way and ignored advice.

Bound to be a bit shambolic initially, if she's overriding those appointed to undertake the work.

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6 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Apparently we haven't got many trained negotiators to manage all these trade deals either, it's going to take us a few years to get a team together. I hope Johnson has a master plan🙏 

I wouldn't count on it. 

He has not exactly been a man of detail during the leadership debates.

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1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 Thing is, they would say that, irrespective of whether it was true.

Just gearing up for the next round.

Fwiw, I reckon there's probably some truth in it: when you listen to brexit oriented MPs and ministers talk, it is clear TM went her own way and ignored advice.

Bound to be a bit shambolic initially, if she's overriding those appointed to undertake the work.

I would say that Davis, Fox et al underestimated the task and the EU's resolve to protect their members interests, just like you would expect them to do when negotiating with other Trade Blocs on behalf of the UK. It demonstrates how ill prepared we were and now are to leave with No Deal and you wonder if this vision of FTAs coming out of ears in the future has been overestimated too.

I see the OBR has said again that we will move straight into recession if we leave with No Deal, an additional 3% hit to GDP on top of the impact of a FTA. Cue Mounts and his dodgy calculator 

 https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/jul/18/no-deal-brexit-uk-recession-obr-fiscal-risks-retail-sales-business-live

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18 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

I would say that Davis, Fox et al underestimated the task and the EU's resolve to protect their members interests, just like you would expect them to do when negotiating with other Trade Blocs on behalf of the UK. It demonstrates how ill prepared we were and now are to leave with No Deal and you wonder if this vision of FTAs coming out of ears in the future has been overestimated too.

I see the OBR has said again that we will move straight into recession if we leave with No Deal, an additional 3% hit to GDP on top of the impact of a FTA. Cue Mounts and his dodgy calculator 

 https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/jul/18/no-deal-brexit-uk-recession-obr-fiscal-risks-retail-sales-business-live

Of course you would say that!

You seem to want to put our country down, that we are inferior to some nonce bureaucratic non-state.

 

 

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