Another Muslim Grooming Gang

[Spider]

I should add that the communities may well be involved and grassing the gangs up to the police. I suspect that may be the case.

In which case it proves that it works.

You don’t know, but you’ll pretend you do.

[bwfcfan5]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Proportionately, the Pakistani gangs that are being uncovered are from very tight knit communities of a few thousand in the towns they operate.

You know this, so don’t try and raise some kind of racism flag because that’s horseshit.

The Pakistanis I know are very proud of the way they integrate but also keep a very close tie with each other via the mosque and shared interests and backgrounds.

Much like a diaspora anywhere on earth, these communities exist and stay connected.

But you know this, as you aren’t stupid.

I mean aren't there something like 40,000 people of Pakistani origin in Rochdale alone?

I honestly don't for one second believe you are racist - I just do not agree with the statement at all. It's in essence saying a huge community are responsible for the acts of a few. And beyond even that there isn't any such thing as one individual Pakistani community. 

That's all I'll say. I've never agreed with people who say that and never will. For me it's a very lazy way to represent the issue. And I know that if I lived abroad as  Brit in a town with a few thousand other British people I'd hugely resent - massively resent - being labelled as a community responsible for the actions of a few. Just how I feel. 

[Spider]

19 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I mean aren't there something like 40,000 people of Pakistani origin in Rochdale alone?

I honestly don't for one second believe you are racist - I just do not agree with the statement at all. It's in essence saying a huge community are responsible for the acts of a few. And beyond even that there isn't any such thing as one individual Pakistani community. 

That's all I'll say. I've never agreed with people who say that and never will. For me it's a very lazy way to represent the issue. And I know that if I lived abroad as  Brit in a town with a few thousand other British people I'd hugely resent - massively resent - being labelled as a community responsible for the actions of a few. Just how I feel. 

You’re not getting what I’m saying.

The Pakistani community is extremely tight knit. They largely know each other’s business and still ‘gossip’.

Bolty will experience this in Oz to a certain degree. It’s common amongst communities of a similar background.

Go and ask a Pakistani if you know one. This isn’t in any way a negative, they’ve spent the last 30 years trying to be fully accepted in tough, working class areas, they will naturally stick together.

You're either hopelessly naive or live in the fucking Cotswolds.

[Burndens Bogs]

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

But the sources quoting Asian know these folk are Pakistan/Bangladesh Muslim men. I’m convinced it’s fear of spreading islamaphobia amongst the population. 

I think it's more to do with preventing the spread of hatred for one particular country and it's people.

[bwfcfan5]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

You’re not getting what I’m saying.

The Pakistani community is extremely tight knit. They largely know each other’s business and still ‘gossip’.

Bolty will experience this in Oz to a certain degree. It’s common amongst communities of a similar background.

Go and ask a Pakistani if you know one. This isn’t in any way a negative, they’ve spent the last 30 years trying to be fully accepted in tough, working class areas, they will naturally stick together.

You're either hopelessly naive or live in the fucking Cotswolds.

But your insinuation that 40,000 Pakistanis all know each other or even move in the same circles and communities is IMO nonsense. Of course there are groups - just like there are British people white British people who knew what some football coaches were doing but chose to say nothing.

A Pakistani family live next door to my dad's. They are the only Pakistani family to my knowledge in the neighbourhood. They go to a mosque in Blackburn where no doubt they know some people there but they don't live in Blackburn. My concern with your view is that they are "in the Pakistani community" but I've no idea how they'd be expected to know what is going on anymore than anyone else who lives near them. 

Anyhow we'll have to agree to disagree. 

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

I think it's more to do with preventing the spread of hatred for one particular country and it's people.

And Islam.

[miamiwhite]

Have a read of this, especially the comments from Kevin Fitzpatrick 

https://mobile.twitter.com/recusant_raja/status/1217213240092000257?s=09

[Tonge moor green jacket]

24 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Have a read of this, especially the comments from Kevin Fitzpatrick 

https://mobile.twitter.com/recusant_raja/status/1217213240092000257?s=09

An interesting read indeed. In fairness, his offer of holding back on the story leading up to Lee Rigby's funeral was understandable.

The message does suggest that councillors etc didn't want this stuff to come out though, which is really poor.

[MickyD]

Further down the thread there's a link to further attempts to uncover these Shisha Bars as places hiding child sexual exploitation and further refusals to accept there were any issues.

EDIT - This time with the link https://recusant-nine.com/recusant-nine/welcome2oldhampart4

Edited January 15, 2020 by MickyD
Link added

[Spider]

9 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

But your insinuation that 40,000 Pakistanis all know each other or even move in the same circles and communities is IMO nonsense. Of course there are groups - just like there are British people white British people who knew what some football coaches were doing but chose to say nothing.

A Pakistani family live next door to my dad's. They are the only Pakistani family to my knowledge in the neighbourhood. They go to a mosque in Blackburn where no doubt they know some people there but they don't live in Blackburn. My concern with your view is that they are "in the Pakistani community" but I've no idea how they'd be expected to know what is going on anymore than anyone else who lives near them. 

Anyhow we'll have to agree to disagree. 

You’ve clearly never spent any time whatsoever close to the Pakistani community.

I spent years with them as neighbours and friends. One thing they will always be, is close. 
We could learn a thing or two about community spirit from them as it goes.

The grooming gangs are not exclusive to the community, but disproportionately high given the numbers. There is a cultural flaw and ignoring it makes you naive.

[Zico]

24 minutes ago, Spider said:

I spent years with them as neighbours

What, in horwich?

Unless you rent the flat above regency wine shop i find that hard to believe

[Spider]

53 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

What, in horwich?

Unless you rent the flat above regency wine shop i find that hard to believe

I’m not a native....

[gonzo]

8 hours ago, Spider said:

You’ve clearly never spent any time whatsoever close to the Pakistani community.

I spent years with them as neighbours and friends. One thing they will always be, is close. 
We could learn a thing or two about community spirit from them as it goes.

The grooming gangs are not exclusive to the community, but disproportionately high given the numbers. There is a cultural flaw and ignoring it makes you naive.

I’ve been round in circles with him myself mate. Don’t wast your time. 

 

[kent_white]

Think it's hard to argue that the Pakistani population in Bolton aren't considerably better connected as a community than their white British counterparts. Nowadays many of us don't even seem to chat to our neighbours.

I'm envious of that in some ways. The way thei community feels reminds me of what it used to feel like when I was a kid and how my grandma and grandad lived. 

I think it's slowly changing though as the more affluent move out of the areas immigrant communities have tended to find themselves in. I bet in a hundred years it won't really exist.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Caught some of a documentary on bbc2 last night about all this.

Girls telling their story with some enlightening revelations.

Quite clear that there is a cultural issue amongst other reasons.

The abuse isn't entirely against white girls, but is disproportionately so.

[athywhite1958]

3 hours ago, kent_white said:

Think it's hard to argue that the Pakistani population in Bolton aren't considerably better connected as a community than their white British counterparts. Nowadays many of us don't even seem to chat to our neighbours.

I'm envious of that in some ways. The way thei community feels reminds me of what it used to feel like when I was a kid and how my grandma and grandad lived. 

I think it's slowly changing though as the more affluent move out of the areas immigrant communities have tended to find themselves in. I bet in a hundred years it won't really exist.

they've all the tme in the world to gather around chatting as unemployment amongst their population is high

[Burndens Bogs]

3 hours ago, kent_white said:

Think it's hard to argue that the Pakistani population in Bolton aren't considerably better connected as a community than their white British counterparts. Nowadays many of us don't even seem to chat to our neighbours..

A very insular tight knit community indeed.

Whiteys tend to socialize in pubs and clubs -  which are disappearing fast.

Asians tend to socialize at the mosque - which are increasing at a disproportionate rate.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Burndens Bogs said:

A very insular tight knit community indeed.

Whiteys tend to socialize in pubs and clubs -  which are disappearing fast.

Asians tend to socialize at the mosque - which are increasing at a disproportionate rate.

If a bloke ever stood in a pub preaching shit and hate, he'd be laughed at, told to shut up or fuck off, or given a slap depending upon level of cuntishness.

If a bloke stands up in a place of worship and spouts bollocks, folk listen.

[kent_white]

37 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

A very insular tight knit community indeed.

Whiteys tend to socialize in pubs and clubs -  which are disappearing fast.

Asians tend to socialize at the mosque - which are increasing at a disproportionate rate.

That's what I'm getting at. I think it's sad that we've lost that working class spirit. Nattering over the yard wall, playing out in the street, looking out for each other and so on. 

Asians tend to socialise at desert shops and shisha places from what I can tell - as well as mosque if course. Anyway - I thought we weren't calling them Asians anymore? 😁

[miamiwhite]

38 minutes ago, kent_white said:

That's what I'm getting at. I think it's sad that we've lost that working class spirit. Nattering over the yard wall, playing out in the street, looking out for each other and so on. 

Asians tend to socialise at desert shops and shisha places from what I can tell - as well as mosque if course. Anyway - I thought we weren't calling them Asians anymore? 😁

What's a desert shop mate ? Is it an oasis of paradise and tranquility in the middle of nowhere ? 😉

All I can say is I'm glad you dont take my bloods...I'd be a A to Z in no time 😊

[miamiwhite]

1 hour ago, athywhite1958 said:

they've all the tme in the world to gather around chatting as unemployment amongst their population is high

Correct R.

They're the world champs in 3 categories :

High unemployment  of the legal kind (took the crown from the Scousers)

Grooming gangs

Terror attacks

And yet the lefties warmly embrace them.

Before anyone beats, these are proven facts

[kent_white]

8 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

What's a desert shop mate ? Is it an oasis of paradise and tranquility in the middle of nowhere ? 😉

All I can say is I'm glad you dont take my bloods...I'd be a A to Z in no time 😊

It's where they only serve dry foods. Like rusks and cream crackers

[miamiwhite]

10 minutes ago, kent_white said:

It's where they only serve dry foods. Like rusks and cream crackers

I take it there's no water to wash the food down with ? 😊

[Spider]

A lot of Pakistani young males consider themselves above the law in many respects. They know they are treated with kid gloves and are exploiting it.

I’m more of a leftie as people know, but on this particular issue there really should be a more honest approach. That starts with people understanding that these difficult facts are still facts.

[miamiwhite]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

A lot of Pakistani young males consider themselves above the law in many respects. They know they are treated with kid gloves and are exploiting it.

I’m more of a leftie as people know, but on this particular issue there really should be a more honest approach. That starts with people understanding that these difficult facts are still facts.

Crikey, have you took a pill mate to match the colour of your syrup ? 😊