Moderators Casino Posted December 2, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Horwich said: Wigan at home Let's say 5k paid an average of 25 quid, it's still only 125k, gross It's not going to last very long That's probably not 2 weeks wages Good old Leeds... United away in the cup, anybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 2, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 2, 2018 53 minutes ago, Casino said: Let's say 5k paid an average of 25 quid, it's still only 125k, gross It's not going to last very long That's probably not 2 weeks wages Good old Leeds... United away in the cup, anybody We need someone who will sell out charging top dollar Will spurs be in their new ground by then? That's who we want, maybe in the 4th round, after Stockport away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Cup draw Monday night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 SJM was in the Hall Of Fame suite saturday, he was saying that players in general at our level, can afford to do without wages for 3 to 4 months, think I trust his judgement in regards to the hardships of players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Not sure how he could know. Most people tend to spend more when they earn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 35 minutes ago, Wullie said: SJM was in the Hall Of Fame suite saturday, he was saying that players in general at our level, can afford to do without wages for 3 to 4 months, think I trust his judgement in regards to the hardships of players I agree. He’s proven an excellent and knowledgeable businessman....oh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: I agree. He’s proven an excellent and knowledgeable businessman....oh.... he knows players wages, don't have to be a good businessman to be able to comment he knows something about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Wullie said: he knows players wages, don't have to be a good businessman to be able to comment he knows something about Probably right for some but not others. Wheater has made similar comments too previously, but what's true for him and the others that have had big contracts in the past might not apply to the likes of Doidge, Oztumer, Magennis etc. Edited December 2, 2018 by RoadRunnerFan Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 how long someone can go without wages is totally irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 2, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2018 42 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: how long someone can go without wages is totally irrelevant This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrener Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 If there is no money available then what is Ken supposed to do, he's spinning plates to keep the club going. Cash flow can kill businesses and we are no different and if the players don't like it then stick a transfer request in or don't sign the bloody contract in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, darrener said: If there is no money available then what is Ken supposed to do, he's spinning plates to keep the club going. Cash flow can kill businesses and we are no different and if the players don't like it then stick a transfer request in or don't sign the bloody contract in the first place. There is more going out than coming in. (Although not much is going out as he isn’t paying suppliers) It’s unsustainable. I fear the worst sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 2, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: There is more going out than coming in. (Although not much is going out as he isn’t paying suppliers) It’s unsustainable. I fear the worst sooner rather than later. Begs the question why have certain players been brought in? Might not be on a fortune, but still money out. Still can't get my head round proclamation of being in profit by end of season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 2, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 hour ago, radcliffewhite1 said: how long someone can go without wages is totally irrelevant Spot on What is relevant is that if we haven't got it, we haven't got it All those who are up in arms about the wages not getting paid haven't had much to say about the solution, so they can get fcuked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 2, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Begs the question why have certain players been brought in? Might not be on a fortune, but still money out. Still can't get my head round proclamation of being in profit by end of season. We could be making profit, yet still go bust dependent on timings re cash coming in/out Also, if I'm trying to flog something, I don't tell potential purchasers that it's shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Casino said: We could be making profit, yet still go bust dependent on timings re cash coming in/out Also, if I'm trying to flog something, I don't tell potential purchasers that it's shit We aren’t making a profit. (The sale of Madine was a once in a lifetime windfall) The type of potential buyers who buy football clubs wouldn’t take much notice of a sales pitch by KA. Would you buy a used car off him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 2, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 2, 2018 I didnt say we are making a profit Yes, we sold Madine, but I'll lay decent odds our costs are a few million lower this season, than last Anyway I've already bought a car off him Any chance of a lift in the morning, having a few problems with my car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Casino said: I didnt say we are making a profit Yes, we sold Madine, but I'll lay decent odds our costs are a few million lower this season, than last Anyway I've already bought a car off him Any chance of a lift in the morning, having a few problems with my car Sorry. I’m on the bus in the morning. A poor supplier owed money by a dodgy geezer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, radcliffewhite1 said: how long someone can go without wages is totally irrelevant To be honest footballers are the exception to this rule. The football creditor rule is such - and the governing body/PFA so rich - that any professional footballer is guaranteed payment (and any costs associated with late or non payment) no matter what. I would imagine that in most instances even the people who footballers may owe money to (say the bank for their mortgage perhaps) would simply extend credit to them knowing payment is guaranteed and probably within days rather than months. Ok wages should be paid on time but if there simply isn't cash flow to do it, then what other choice do you have other to wait until the money is finally there - as I certain haven't seen any of our players clamouring to leave the club because their contract terms have been broken - as in the case when we signed Greg Wylde from Rangers for example. Players not being paid might suffer some mild irritation and a little bit of disruption but no more than that and nothing at all like the worry and anxiety the rest of us would if we didn't get our wages on time. I suspect that the players aren't really too worried about late wages (apart from the nuisance factor) and the issue is deliberately blown out of all proportion by the local football reporter and his friends at the ST. Ok there was the unofficial strike at the start of the season but that was really over late (and to some extent withheld) player bonuses which fell due in the late summer when the club simply didn't have any cash flow to cover the payments. At the end of the day everyone gets paid, nobody is out of pocket, nobody on the playing side is probably worried about it, nobody on the admin side has actually been effected by it despite Ile's 'scare' stories/tweets (single mums, living hand to mouth, with direct debits to pay...) - and yet it is constantly pushed as a major story - every other month or so. You've got to ask the question why that is as I'm sure ALL those who work at the club (both players and admin) know what the score is - and have done so for the last three years or so going back to Eddie Davies time. Almost as though some people have an agenda against the current owner and are looking to continually undermine his position. Coincidently did anyone else see Mike Smith (Board member and co-founder of the ST) tweet about Ken Anderson last week? I'm not sure how that would help them with their Memorandum of Understanding they say they wish to build with the club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, Sluffy said: To be honest footballers are the exception to this rule. The football creditor rule is such - and the governing body/PFA so rich - that any professional footballer is guaranteed payment (and any costs associated with late or non payment) no matter what. I would imagine that in most instances even the people who footballers may owe money to (say the bank for their mortgage perhaps) would simply extend credit to them knowing payment is guaranteed and probably within days rather than months. Ok wages should be paid on time but if there simply isn't cash flow to do it, then what other choice do you have other to wait until the money is finally there - as I certain haven't seen any of our players clamouring to leave the club because their contract terms have been broken - as in the case when we signed Greg Wylde from Rangers for example. Players not being paid might suffer some mild irritation and a little bit of disruption but no more than that and nothing at all like the worry and anxiety the rest of us would if we didn't get our wages on time. I suspect that the players aren't really too worried about late wages (apart from the nuisance factor) and the issue is deliberately blown out of all proportion by the local football reporter and his friends at the ST. Ok there was the unofficial strike at the start of the season but that was really over late (and to some extent withheld) player bonuses which fell due in the late summer when the club simply didn't have any cash flow to cover the payments. At the end of the day everyone gets paid, nobody is out of pocket, nobody on the playing side is probably worried about it, nobody on the admin side has actually been effected by it despite Ile's 'scare' stories/tweets (single mums, living hand to mouth, with direct debits to pay...) - and yet it is constantly pushed as a major story - every other month or so. You've got to ask the question why that is as I'm sure ALL those who work at the club (both players and admin) know what the score is - and have done so for the last three years or so going back to Eddie Davies time. Almost as though some people have an agenda against the current owner and are looking to continually undermine his position. Coincidently did anyone else see Mike Smith (Board member and co-founder of the ST) tweet about Ken Anderson last week? I'm not sure how that would help them with their Memorandum of Understanding they say they wish to build with the club! You’re so wide of the mark on so many issues in that post. Have you actually spoke to anyone who works at the club or who are involved with the day to day running of the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Casino said: Spot on What is relevant is that if we haven't got it, we haven't got it All those who are up in arms about the wages not getting paid haven't had much to say about the solution, so they can get fcuked Surely they can put their two penneth in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Boby Brno said: You’re so wide of the mark on so many issues in that post. Have you actually spoke to anyone who works at the club or who are involved with the day to day running of the club? No I've not. Please feel free to enlighten me and everyone else with your inside knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sluffy said: No I've not. Please feel free to enlighten me and everyone else with your inside knowledge. I do have inside knowledge and you don’t. I really don’t care if people believe me or not. What is important is that your assumptions are based on your own opinions and nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Casino said: Spot on What is relevant is that if we haven't got it, we haven't got it All those who are up in arms about the wages not getting paid haven't had much to say about the solution, so they can get fcuked To be honest it's pathetic and there isn't much to say about it anymore. The knock on could be enormous. Would you want to sign for this regime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 21 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: You’re so wide of the mark on so many issues in that post. Have you actually spoke to anyone who works at the club or who are involved with the day to day running of the club? Reading that, is sluffy saying they don't need paying for a bit as they are footballers? Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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