A bit early for this perhaps but just saw it starts in 45 days so why not!?  We can slag England off instead and give the Whites and Parky a break  

 

Currently, my enthusiasm levels are about 1 on a scale of 1 - 10.

 

England will do the usual, QF at best.  Just hoping we 'have a go' and keep faith in the relative youth so hopefully rewarded in the next one (or Euros)

 

Germany or Spain.  Nailed on.

Playing 442 with the players available was completely fucking stupid, was crying out for wing backs with three in the middle

 

Great set of players, just needed a half decent manager to point them in the right direction

 

Opportunity missed

Playing 442 with the players available was completely fucking stupid, was crying out for wing backs with three in the middle

 

Great set of players, just needed a half decent manager to point them in the right direction

 

Opportunity missed

 

exactly and exactly what Hoddle had implemented 

theres been countless failings throughout the last 20 odd years, both from players and managers. to singularly point the finger of blame at the players though is a bit much

 

particularly when we rigidly played 4-4-2 under Sven when everyone could see it didnt work (Scholes out on the left ffs) then you bounce to Capello who insisted playing Gerrard and Lampard together when the whole world could see you needed another fella in there with them as they had with their clubs so they could go and do what they did best.

Then he moved Gerrard in to a number 10 role...

 

playing for England became a chore for them all eventually and yes they always under performed (or not according to your assessment they were never good enough in the first place) 

However, the managers we had also failed, miserably 

 

Not saying the managers were right. But I still maintain that the players take the brunt of criticism. They didn't like Capello's discipline....poor things. Weren't allowed to use their phones....awwwww....

 

Fact is the 1990 squad whilst lambasted before the tournament is the best England squad we've had since 66 and were miles ahead of the so called golden generation in both ability and attitude.

 

Pearce, Lineker, Beardsley, Barnes, Gascoigne, Waddle, Robson, Shilton...

 

There was real quality in that squad. 

Not saying the managers were right. But I still maintain that the players take the brunt of criticism. They didn't like Capello's discipline....poor things. Weren't allowed to use their phones....awwwww....

 

Fact is the 1990 squad whilst lambasted before the tournament is the best England squad we've had since 66 and were miles ahead of the so called golden generation in both ability and attitude.

 

Pearce, Lineker, Beardsley, Barnes, Gascoigne, Waddle, Robson, Shilton...

 

There was real quality in that squad. 

 

kin el, dont let the fact we got to the semi's distort your view. yes they had character but we were shit in that world cup

 

from the 'Golden Generation' squad(s) we had, collectively and individually blew the 90s squad away. Non of that squad from 90 apart from Gazza afterwards were viewed as good on the world stage. And i dont mean by our narrow minded Journos, i mean world wide.

 

dont forget no one had any optimism before 1990, Bobby Robson was one our most hated managers ever and was branded a traitor for announcing before the tournament he was leaving after it. Yet somehow they landed themselves in the Semi's and returned as heroes. 

 

Cole, Ferdinand, Campbell, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Owen, Rooney, Shearer, pick any of them at any time were better overall than Paul Parker, Pearce, Platt, Mark Wright, etc 

Edited June 25, 20187 yr by barrycowdrill

Capello phoned it in as England manager. Paid 6 million a year and didn't bother to learn English properly. Found out again as Russia manager not long after

Edited June 25, 20187 yr by jmjhb

kin el, dont let the fact we got to the semi's distort your view. yes they had character but we were shit in that world cup

 

from the 'Golden Generation' squad(s) we had, collectively and individually blew the 90s squad away. Non of that squad from 90 apart from Gazza afterwards were viewed as good on the world stage. And i dont mean by our narrow minded Journos, i mean world wide.

 

dont forget no one had any optimism before 1990, Bobby Robson was one our most hated managers ever and was branded a traitor for announcing before the tournament he was leaving after it. Yet somehow they landed themselves in the Semi's and returned as heroes. 

 

Cole, Ferdinand, Campbell, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Owen, Rooney, Shearer, pick any of them at any time were better overall than Paul Parker, Pearce, Platt, Mark Wright, etc 

 

Totally and utterly disagree. Gascoigne, Waddle, Lineker all played in top European leagues. That squad was miles ahead. Gerrard/Lampard never performed for England. In any tournament. Completely and utterly overrated.

 

Shearer was well before that generation and did perform. I'd not include him. Scholes also. 

 

Rooney had ONE tournament then was shocking, sulky and a player I detested for his lack of contribution. 

 

Gascoigne, Lineker were truly world class players. Performed at the highest level for England in major tournaments. None of the "golden generation" did.

 

Biggest load of overrated, coseted, pampered little boys ever. They cared more about their clubs than England.

 

1990 was streets ahead of anything since (bar 96 arguably). 

Totally and utterly disagree. Gascoigne, Waddle, Lineker all played in top European leagues. That squad was miles ahead. Gerrard/Lampard never performed for England. In any tournament. Completely and utterly overrated.

 

Shearer was well before that generation and did perform. I'd not include him. Scholes also. 

 

Rooney had ONE tournament then was shocking, sulky and a player I detested for his lack of contribution. 

 

Gascoigne, Lineker were truly world class players. Performed at the highest level for England in major tournaments. None of the "golden generation" did.

 

Biggest load of overrated, coseted, pampered little boys ever. They cared more about their clubs than England.

 

1990 was streets ahead of anything since (bar 96 arguably). 

 

Lineker was a fantastic goal scorer. had just under 3 years at Barcelona but came back 12 months before the WC

Waddle had been at Marseille for 12 months

Gazza was still at Spurs 

 

but lets not let facts get in the way.

 

and the rest? well, If you want to take Steve McMahon, Mark Wright, Paul Parker, Stuart Pearce over Gerrard, Ferdinand, Campbell, Ashley Cole you crack on 

 

I Buy 100% playing for England meant more to them at that time than in more recent years and thats not just an accusation to level to the 'golden generation' its gone on since. But dont tell me that starting XI from 90 had more ability. because they didnt 

Edited June 25, 20187 yr by barrycowdrill

Lineker was a fantastic goal scorer. had just under 3 years at Barcelona but came back 12 months before the WC

Waddle had been at Marseille for 12 months

Gazza was still at Spurs 

 

but lets not let facts get in the way.

 

and the rest? well, If you want to take Steve McMahon, Mark Wright, Paul Parker, Stuart Pearce over Gerrard, Ferdinand, Campbell, Ashley Cole you crack on 

 

They played in top European leagues though. Didn't say they did it before 1990.

 

Anyone can come up with silly individual comparisons.

 

Pearce over Cole every single day. Pearce was a warrior. Cole never, ever reached the heights for England. He just didn't care as much.

 

Gascoigne, Platt, Robson, Barnes over Gerrard/Lampard any day of any week.

 

Paul Parker is probably better than most right backs we've played since. 

 

Lineker better than any striker since. Certainly in a different league to Rooney. 

 

Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand, Cole were all vastly overrated by our media and our club centric approach. I didn't rate them for England, at all. 

Pearce over Cole every single day. 

 

Honestly, end of conversation.

 

your comparing a guy who was the best left back in the world for a good few years to a 'warrior'

 

go and bang your face paint on and get out your St Georges shield because i cant deliberate with that 

Danny Vukovic apparently

Dries Martins me

 

Pearce over Cole every single day.

 

 

Mentalist. The kind of deluded, insular, "we invented football" type of thinking that has had us winning one tournament ever.

 

Cole is probably a better electrician than Pearce too.

Mentalist. The kind of deluded, insular, "we invented football" type of thinking that has had us winning one tournament ever.

 

Cole is probably a better electrician than Pearce too.

Remind me, how many trophies did we win with Cole? In fact how many semis did we reach?

 

It’s not insular thinking. Cole was a better player technically. But there is more to it than that. The passion and desire to play and win for England was Pearce through and through. And that’s a big part of it at this level. Likes of Cole never really cared. Paid it lip service. But they were multi millionaires before their mid twenties. And as has been disclosed worried about their clubs more than representing England.

Remind me, how many trophies did we win with Cole? In fact how many semis did we reach?

 

It’s not insular thinking. Cole was a better player technically. But there is more to it than that. The passion and desire to play and win for England was Pearce through and through. And that’s a big part of it at this level. Likes of Cole never really cared. Paid it lip service. But they were multi millionaires before their mid twenties. And as has been disclosed worried about their clubs more than representing England.

All guess work on your part and seemingly driven by that envy of financially successful people your lot all have.

Remind me, how many trophies did we win with Cole? In fact how many semis did we reach?

 

It’s not insular thinking. Cole was a better player technically. But there is more to it than that. The passion and desire to play and win for England was Pearce through and through. And that’s a big part of it at this level. Likes of Cole never really cared. Paid it lip service. But they were multi millionaires before their mid twenties. And as has been disclosed worried about their clubs more than representing England.

 

we won trophies with neither, Pearce got one round further than Cole did

 

Cole won everything at club level

Pearce sang the anthem louder

 

(Just waiting on the "who you would rather have a pint with" post, should be along any minute now)

Pearce thought putting David James up front was a good idea.

we won trophies with neither, Pearce got one round further than Cole did

 

Cole won everything at club level

Pearce sang the anthem louder

Made two semi finals. Which compared to the golden generation was miraculous success.

All guess work on your part and seemingly driven by that envy of financially successful people your lot all have.

Guess work? Why did the so called golden generation fail time and time again then?

 

I don’t envy rich footballers anymore than anyone else. I do think the likes of Cole, Gerrard, Lampard etc were vastly overrated by the English media. And when push came to shove none busted a gut for England.

Fact is the 1990 squad whilst lambasted before the tournament is the best England squad we've had since 66 and were miles ahead of the so called golden generation

 

There was real quality in that squad.

Mate that was your original argument. The 90’s squad had better ability.

 

Now the players you say you would rather have has been pulled apart it’s now all about who it meant more too and who grafted more for their country

 

If you honestly think the 90’s team had more ability than the 04 team that played Portugal (Neville, Terry, Campbell, Cole, Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Owen & Rooney) then there’s no point going on

 

But rather than admit you were probably wrong it’s now all about them being overpaid and under caring

Mate that was your original argument. The 90’s squad had better ability.

 

Now the players you say you would rather have has been pulled apart it’s now all about who it meant more too and who grafted more for their country

 

If you honestly think the 90’s team had more ability than the 04 team that played Portugal (Neville, Terry, Campbell, Cole, Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Owen & Rooney) then there’s no point going on

 

But rather than admit you were probably wrong it’s now all about them being overpaid and under caring

Seeing those players written down its even more of a scandal that they performed so poorly for england.

Seeing those players written down its even more of a scandal that they performed so poorly for england.

Absolutely shocking but I go back to my original point right at the beginning. Players are too blame but the managers we had failed miserably in not getting the best out of them or finding a system that did

Mate that was your original argument. The 90’s squad had better ability.

 

Now the players you say you would rather have has been pulled apart it’s now all about who it meant more too and who grafted more for their country

 

If you honestly think the 90’s team had more ability than the 04 team that played Portugal (Neville, Terry, Campbell, Cole, Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Owen & Rooney) then there’s no point going on

 

But rather than admit you were probably wrong it’s now all about them being overpaid and under caring

Isolated discussion on Pearce aside......

 

Listing a load of overhyped players doesn’t change that. Beckham and Scholes aside those players never performed on the big stage or did so very rarely.

 

Those golden generation players were lauded because they did well for club sides. But for England they didn’t perform.

 

I’m not blinded by modern day reporting or glitz and glamour of football now. 90s team has some proper proper footballers. Rather watch that team any day than most of the overrated overpaid lot you are banging on about.

A big chunk of them won everything possible at club level

 

They were top of their game in the strongest division in the World whilst going the distance in the champions league year after year

 

On the other hand Chris Waddle played in France

A big chunk of them won everything possible at club level

 

They were top of their game in the strongest division in the World whilst going the distance in the champions league year after year

 

On the other hand Chris Waddle played in France

 

To be fair, for most of those 90 players we were not playing in European competitions domestically.

 

I reckon the likes of Barnes, Beardsley etc would have held their own.

 

Marseilles were one of the top dogs when Waddle played there iirc?

 

Anyways, not saying they were better then the GG players but some were easily on par.

 

Comparing Cole to Pearce though is like comparing a Ferrari to a Land Rover.

 

Probably fair to say the 90 lot over-performed (maybe?) and the GG lot under-performed (for certain).

Edited June 25, 20187 yr by madthatter

Isolated discussion on Pearce aside......

 

Listing a load of overhyped players doesn’t change that. Beckham and Scholes aside those players never performed on the big stage or did so very rarely.

 

Those golden generation players were lauded because they did well for club sides. But for England they didn’t perform.

 

I’m not blinded by modern day reporting or glitz and glamour of football now. 90s team has some proper proper footballers. Rather watch that team any day than most of the overrated overpaid lot you are banging on about.

Check the trophy hauls in the 2 squads pal and get back to me