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19 hours fasted today. Managed a 45 minute workout during the 18th hour. Burning off any fat stores left in my body.

Also on daily collagen shots. Definitely sleeping better and shitting for England. So far so good.

Still dry for this year. Stranglers on 11th Feb and Fuerteventura on 12th Feb, so will be breaking the dry spell either of those days. However, will counter it - hotel has a full-on exercise programme. And I’ve already plotted and sorted my GPX for a 10–11 mile mountain run in the south of the island.

And yes, before you ask, I have touched a girl.

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41 minutes ago, Smiley said:

19 hours fasted today. Managed a 45 minute workout during the 18th hour. Burning off any fat stores left in my body.

Also on daily collagen shots. Definitely sleeping better and shitting for England. So far so good.

Still dry for this year. Stranglers on 11th Feb and Fuerteventura on 12th Feb, so will be breaking the dry spell either of those days. However, will counter it - hotel has a full-on exercise programme. And I’ve already plotted and sorted my GPX for a 10–11 mile mountain run in the south of the island.

And yes, before you ask, I have touched a girl.

At what point during fasting does the body start eating fat instead of muscle?

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39 minutes ago, gonzo said:

And are we talking just water?

Yep. And one decaf black coffee (that’s to fire up the mitochondria).

Muscle loss - depends on who you believe. Allegedly minimal muscle loss in the first 3 days. And then fat.

Not sure how that works - I only fast Mon-Fri.

 

This kind of sums it up.

 

Yes and this is a well-established, well-researched medical fact so there’s no need to worry about muscle loss when you fast for shorter periods of time (less than 18–24 hours). Here’s a synopsis of the process that occurs in the “Early Fasting” state (adapted from Biochemistry by Berg, et al.):

Several hours after a meal, blood-glucose levels drop leading to a decrease in insulin secretion (and reduced entry of glucose into muscle cells) and a rise in glucagon secretion, which mobilizes liver glycogen stores in the absence of dietary glucose, stimulates gluconeogenesis, and inhibits fatty acid synthesis. Concurrently, fatty acids are released by adipose (fat) tissue and muscle and level tissue shifts from utilizing glucose to utilizing fatty acids for fuel.

All carbohydrate stores in our bodies are fully depleted after roughly 1 full day of fasting. At this point, minimal muscle breakdown occurs, but our metabolism is designed to preserve muscle at all costs since loss of muscle means a loss of function (ability to move, run, utilize strength, etc). Thus, after roughly 3 days of fasting, our bodies shift to utilizing ketone bodies for fuel.

For a typical well-nourished adult male, the body contains enough stored fuel (carbs, fatty acids, and protein) to meet caloric needs in starvation for 1–3 months. After this point, the only source of fuel is protein and rapid degradation of protein will eventually lead to death from loss of heart, liver, or kidney function.

In short, keep your fasts in the 12–18 hour range and you’ll maximize fat loss and minimize or likely eliminate any potential muscle loss.

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Sound.

I kind of stumbled (by being late for work) on the fact Im not actually arsed about eating till mid morning. Ive been having my brews as normal with a protien shake then oats and eggs mid morning.

Thats giving me a good 14 hours without food. I could ditch the shake and sure I could stretch it till dinner time if it was beneficial to target fat loss?

Does anything you do eat after a sustained period such as that not just all pile to your fat stores as the body is in panic mode?

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I need to cut down my wine consumption

Last three months I’ve been doing about 20K a month in the pool and not lost an ounce

Never used to eat fruit but have always eaten loads of veg. Recently we’ve started buying those 5kg boxes of fruit and veg for £1.50 from Lidl so I’m now eating a lot of fruit

https://corporate.lidl.co.uk/sustainability/food-waste/too-good-to-waste

Also drinking about 3 pints of water a day compared with about half a pint previously

BP before Xmas was 155/95. Weekly readings in Jan have been 143/90, 131/95, 126/87, 123/84

Malbec is my enemy. I need to sort it and shed at least a stone. 

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Your blood pressure is affected by fluid intake/pissing out...

Fruit is full of sugars.

My mate, a tubby bitch, thinks not eating meat will help him lose weight then eats two panfuls of veg chilli and rice and half a loaf of granary bread...

I've told him a million times. No it doesn't. Bread in any form is junk food.

Some of the fattest fucks I've known have been vegetarians.

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2 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Yep. Diuretics were developed for that very reason 

Fruit is full of fructose which is OK. And it’s packed with minerals and fibre. Processed sugar is the bad one.

Fat veggies I know also eat a mountain of cheese

Fruit is full of energy meaning retention of any crap like bacon fat or bread...

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3 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Yep. Diuretics were developed for that very reason 

Fruit is full of fructose which is OK. And it’s packed with minerals and fibre. Processed sugar is the bad one.

Fat veggies I know also eat a mountain of cheese

Once heard a fitness woman on the radio saying people shouldn't eat fruit because of the fructose.

Stupid bitch.

 

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2 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Processed sugar

Fresh squeezed orange juice - no added sugar, I'm not drinking fucking Capri Suns.

It's only here for mimosas.

Anyhow, knock yourselves out, I've been 13 stone or therabouts since I was 18, what do I know?

 

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Just now, Youri McAnespie said:

Fresh squeezed orange juice - no added sugar, I'm not drinking fucking Capri Suns.

It's only here for mimosas.

 

Freshly squeezed in a carton that was to hand? Do you have a harem installed that squeeze the oranges, put the juice in cartons, and then serve them to you? I hope that they see to all your other needs as well

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14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Once heard a fitness woman on the radio saying people shouldn't eat fruit because of the fructose.

Stupid bitch.

 

A healthy eating personal trainer friend has always insisted the government advice of five veg or fruits a day was a complete misunderstanding. She thinks it ought to have been changed to five a day made up of four veg and one fruit.

Dates contain only natural sugars. One of the worst things you can eat.

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1 hour ago, MancWanderer said:

I need to cut down my wine consumption

Malbec is my enemy. I need to sort it and shed at least a stone. 

This is me, I have sorted my diet out pretty well and slowly gaining fitness through walking faster and further but I need to knock wine on the head. The trouble is it tastes too good.

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2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Sound.

I kind of stumbled (by being late for work) on the fact Im not actually arsed about eating till mid morning. Ive been having my brews as normal with a protien shake then oats and eggs mid morning.

Thats giving me a good 14 hours without food. I could ditch the shake and sure I could stretch it till dinner time if it was beneficial to target fat loss?

Does anything you do eat after a sustained period such as that not just all pile to your fat stores as the body is in panic mode?

From my experience - best to do minimum 16 hours. Its called Intermittent Fasting - but in reality you are creating an “eating window” in which you consume your calories. Some folk do OMAD (one meal a day) and cram 2,000 calories into a one hour period. Not for me.

“Breaking your fast” is quite important. The ideal way is to have something that is pure protein. Chicken breast. And then 30 mins later have something more substantial. The first thing to enter your body after your fast determines how your body processes stuff. Its yearning for the good stuff - so a burger, chips, bacon butty, etc, etc are all a no-no. Mixing the macro-nutrients is an absolute no-no. Pure protein.

Shit loads of water all day. And during the fast nothing but water. Coffee is allowed. But no milk or sugar. Personally I don’t drink caffeine, to avoid being wired. Even hot lemon or peppermint tea are a no-no.

And as said previous, if you can get that workout (mix of weights and cardio) into that last hour whilst your body is running on embers, it’ll singe those love handles nicely!!

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