Dr Faustus Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Grow up lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantra Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Damocles said: Are you so sure now? Considering Bassini’s track record with promises - that he’s in control of the club, he’d get the Brentford game on and probably more that I’ve forgotten - I’m certainly not convinced by two articles from the BN and the Sun that Bassini’s offer is/was the best, considering it’s all based on what he’s said without any proof. Why would the administrators show any bias to FV if Bassini genuinely had more money? Even if they did have bias you could argue that Bassini doesn’t have a reputable past especially in footballing terms. All he’s done is spout a load of shit again without anything to back it up. if YOU or HE can prove otherwise then I’ll happily take back what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, Damocles said: It remains buried inside your mother Been on the Cinzano again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, ZicoKelly said: They were plenty good enough Reckon at the start of that season, collectively, the vast amount of games the squad had played were at PL or championship level as opposed to league one or two I might even spend an hour or so working it out this week if I'm not busy https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36930017 our starting 11 for first game of the season. Not many gone on and had great careers anywhere else at a decent level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 If for some unfathomable the FV bid was not the best surely that is an issue for the administrator not the club ? Damocles is really coming across as a pathetic wind up merchant. He was on here at one time saying Basini had failed to provide adequate security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sluffy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mantra said: Is this the same Alan Nixon who wrote an article as recently just two months ago telling us that we had debts of £41.6m. Good luck to Bassini if he's got that PLUS the money to run the club currently still trading at a loss PLUS fund a new squad consisting of ex-Premier League players. He needs upwards of £50m immediately if you believe what Mr Nixon writes/tweets. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4196606/bolton-41-6m-cash-strapped-brink-of-administration/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 30, 2019 Moderators Share Posted June 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, Ani said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36930017 our starting 11 for first game of the season. Not many gone on and had great careers anywhere else at a decent level Well, despite their best efforts to blow it, they came second Plenty good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 LOST THE FUCKING WILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I’ve had 7 bottles of magners and a few beers in the red lion but the club’s debt to MJ not be grounds for concern here? ...as in that’s why FV’s bid was approved over an Emerson Jones/some other rich fucker bid? not sure how it works like. Where have all these cunts been for the past 4 years by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, gonzo said: ...as in that’s why FV’s bid was approved over an Emerson Jones/some other rich fucker bid? not sure how it works like. Where have all these cunts been for the past 4 years by the way? The Emerson Jones/some other rich fucker bid is only a rumour so far. Can only assume that there are more interested parties now due to us being cheaper to buy out of admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, ZicoKelly said: It is when you're comparing the relative quality of squads in the same league and as such setting expectations for how they will get on It's how you're confidently able to say something's like "we are better than Scunthorpe" But that’s the problem. It doesn’t tell you that. You can have a squad of ex premiership failures up against a squad of lads plucked from non league football. The latter may well be better than the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Banks Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11672/11740971/bolton-administrators-identify-preferred-bidder-for-league-one-club If the above was true, why then does it feel like there’s more financial problems ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted June 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2019 MJ’s (PJP) security was always against the car park area and this will get developed at some stage as it isn’t being fully utilised now. MJ isn’t a charity, he cares deeply about the club but FFS, this guy has paid bills since Gartside’s time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 30, 2019 Moderators Share Posted June 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: But that’s the problem. It doesn’t tell you that. You can have a squad of ex premiership failures up against a squad of lads plucked from non league football. The latter may well be better than the former. Ex premiership failures could be decent championship players Plucked from non league could be standard league two players The latter might beat the former in one game but over a season you'd expect the former to perform better I'm not sure what the point is though in trying to make on it was a shit squad other than to big up PP It wasn't a shit squad by league one standards and it came second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, Steejay said: MJ’s (PJP) security was always against the car park area and this will get developed at some stage as it isn’t being fully utilised now. MJ isn’t a charity, he cares deeply about the club but FFS, this guy has paid bills since Gartside’s time. Sorry to correct you but it wasn't. It's clearly shown in the audited accounts for the Hotel as a loan of £5.5m specifically against that. See the entry for the 25th July, 2017 (Full accounts to 30 June 2016) click on the PGF and see Auditors Notes No15 - Loans and Overdraughts on page 18. and again in the following years accounts on page 28. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03674979/filing-history There was a separate loan against one of the Car Parks taken out by Trevor Birch but this was unable to be redeemed when it fell due and the ownership then reverted to PJP/James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger_Dubuis Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Ani said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36930017 our starting 11 for first game of the season. Not many gone on and had great careers anywhere else at a decent level Beevers and Wheater were both voted into the PFA League One Team of the season, so the other professionals thought we had the best two central defenders in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizio Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 6 hours ago, ZicoKelly said: Ex premiership failures could be decent championship players Plucked from non league could be standard league two players The latter might beat the former in one game but over a season you'd expect the former to perform better I'm not sure what the point is though in trying to make on it was a shit squad other than to big up PP It wasn't a shit squad by league one standards and it came second Itll be to big parki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 7 hours ago, ZicoKelly said: Ex premiership failures could be decent championship players Plucked from non league could be standard league two players The latter might beat the former in one game but over a season you'd expect the former to perform better I'm not sure what the point is though in trying to make on it was a shit squad other than to big up PP It wasn't a shit squad by league one standards and it came second See you are conflating where they’ve played with how good they are. When we were in league one Dack was a better midfield player than anyone we had on the books. That is in no way controversial. He’d not played above league one at the time. What matters is not the history of the players but how good they are at that particular point in time. Spearing is a good case in point. Played premiership football. Played champions league. But after leaving us ended up back in league one. In reality he found his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Tommy Banks said: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11672/11740971/bolton-administrators-identify-preferred-bidder-for-league-one-club If the above was true, why then does it feel like there’s more financial problems ahead Of course there will be financial problems - football is not sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 1, 2019 Moderators Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: See you are conflating where they’ve played with how good they are. When we were in league one Dack was a better midfield player than anyone we had on the books. That is in no way controversial. He’d not played above league one at the time. What matters is not the history of the players but how good they are at that particular point in time. Spearing is a good case in point. Played premiership football. Played champions league. But after leaving us ended up back in league one. In reality he found his level. I am yes, it's as good a benchmark as most for assessing a team's prospects ahead of the season - there's a reason Cardif & Fulham are amongst the favourites for the championship and barnsley and charlton are favourites for the drop we'd had a shit season prior to that, but the players in that squad had previously shown at the championship level and above that they could play to a decent level we had some shite runs but when we hit form we looked very good that season at that level, because we had a good team and yes, PP being a good league one manager was part of that, so I don't get why there are still folk claiming we weren't that good by league one standards it wasn't luck that got us promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: I am yes, it's as good a benchmark as most for assessing a team's prospects ahead of the season - there's a reason Cardif & Fulham are amongst the favourites for the championship and barnsley and charlton are favourites for the drop we'd had a shit season prior to that, but the players in that squad had previously shown at the championship level and above that they could play to a decent level we had some shite runs but when we hit form we looked very good that season at that level, because we had a good team and yes, PP being a good league one manager was part of that, so I don't get why there are still folk claiming we weren't that good by league one standards it wasn't luck that got us promoted By league one standards we had players people had heard of. But they were also players who had failed here for year after year. And most had issues. Davies' injuries. Wheater's back and loss of any pace. Spearing's inability to recapture his best form. We went into the season with a tiny squad that we had to bolster during an embargo. So I don't think promotion was in any way "straightforward" or guaranteed. And those players we had, how many are playing above league one now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: By league one standards we had players people had heard of. But they were also players who had failed here for year after year. And most had issues. Davies' injuries. Wheater's back and loss of any pace. Spearing's inability to recapture his best form. We went into the season with a tiny squad that we had to bolster during an embargo. So I don't think promotion was in any way "straightforward" or guaranteed. And those players we had, how many are playing above league one now? Flip it. Our competitors that year (Fleetwood, Scunthorpe, Bradford etc.) by what logic did they have better players? They were on less money and by and large hadn't played at as high a level, hadn't achieved as much in their careers, haven't gone on to become established Championship/Premier League players and finished below us that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okocha10 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Alan Nixon needs to piss off going on about how Bassini deal is a good deal as it can help local business get paid to build a better reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tombwfc said: Flip it. Our competitors that year (Fleetwood, Scunthorpe, Bradford etc.) by what logic did they have better players? They were on less money and by and large hadn't played at as high a level, hadn't achieved as much in their careers, haven't gone on to become established Championship/Premier League players and finished below us that year. Flip it again...the reason we went up was down to signing a Bradford reserve who couldn't get into their first team.... And the point I'm making is that apart from Madine none of our players have gone on to become established championship or higher level have they? Zach Clough did well for us for that half season - now can't get in Rochdale's team. Lets look at the team against Sheffield United - first day of that season and see where they are now... Mark Howard - League one Lawrie Wilson - Non league Mark Beevers - League one David Wheater - Unattached Dean Moxey - League two Chris Taylor- Unattached Jay Spearing - League one Josh Vela - Unattached Lewis Buxton - Unattached (hasn't played since playing for us) Darren Pratley - Championship Gary Madine - Championship Bench: Amos (Unattached), Proctor (League one), Derik (Segunda), Davies (retired), Trotter (USA), Woolery (league 2), Walker (league 2) Does that list of names and their subsequent careers scream that we had a team ready made to conquer league one? Full of stars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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