Another player leaves

[bolton va va]

1 minute ago, DazBob said:

The more Little didn't play the better he became. Couldn't have been any worse than Pav though.

The more Pav played, the worse he got

[ErnestTurnip]

48 minutes ago, DazBob said:

The more Little didn't play the better he became. Couldn't have been any worse than Pav though.

So true, same people who believe it also believe that Oztumer is a genius based on a goal he scored at our place and a performance against a 10 man team of ours away.

[Burndens Bogs]

6 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

So true, same people who believe it also believe that Oztumer is a genius based on a goal he scored at our place and a performance against a 10 man team of ours away.

Most people can see that Oztumer is a decent player...apart from Parky

[Farrelli]

10 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

So true, same people who believe it also believe that Oztumer is a genius based on a goal he scored at our place and a performance against a 10 man team of ours away.

Oztumer had two great seasons in L1. He was no flash in the pan.

Edited June 4, 2019 by Farrelli

[Casino]

Even our shit knocked 5 in against Walsall

Fwiw, I'd have liked to see more of oztumer and I'd like to see him with us next season but I'd also like to see him sign for Charlton and see how that goes

[MancWanderer]

On a serious note, with all these players leaving, and the current state of our “ownership” how are we going to be able to put out a team at the beginning of the season?

[radcliffe white]

He will do ok at Charlton 

from watching them over the play offs they aren’t afraid of playing football 

[Casino]

2 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

On a serious note, with all these players leaving, and the current state of our “ownership” how are we going to be able to put out a team at the beginning of the season?

I'd expect we are talking to players

A skint bolton is still a better option than a fair few teams

A bolton with some funds is a fantastic gig for a level 3 player

[ErnestTurnip]

Them playing football is neither here nor there, you could get a middle aged Karl Henry to play against him and it would nullify him. That's why he's League 1 at best and that's why he is never going to pull up trees in the Championship.

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Them playing football is neither here nor there, you could get a middle aged Karl Henry to play against him and it would nullify him. That's why he's League 1 at best and that's why he is never going to pull up trees in the Championship.

Well he did very well for two seasons so it can't have been that easy.  I think he could do ok in the championship in the right team.

[snowball]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

Oztumer had two great seasons in L1. He was no flash in the pan.

Wasnt he in end of season best X1 in L1? Who really thinks Parkinson could get best out of him next season or that he will even play regularly? 

 

[MancWanderer]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

I'd expect we are talking to players

A skint bolton is still a better option than a fair few teams

A bolton with some funds is a fantastic gig for a level 3 player

I get that but what can we offer whilst in admin? Can we offer contracts? Or do we have to wait until we are out of admin? Maybe it’s just me not understanding admin

[Boothy]

Whose left?

[Ani]

26 minutes ago, Boothy said:

Whose left?

Depends if you mean ‘who is left’ or ‘who has left’  

 

[Boothy]

6 minutes ago, Ani said:

Depends if you mean ‘who is left’ or ‘who has left’  

 

Very true, I meant the former.

[Casino]

1 hour ago, MancWanderer said:

I get that but what can we offer whilst in admin? Can we offer contracts? Or do we have to wait until we are out of admin? Maybe it’s just me not understanding admin

I'm pretty sure we can offer whatever we want

It would be a strange kind of loon that accepted it

But I'm sure conversations will be had sounding out players

If it drags on another month, might be more difficult as players won't wait forever, but we will be doing some stuff, I'm sure

 

Can our remaining contracted players still walk?

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, snowball said:

Wasnt he in end of season best X1 in L1? Who really thinks Parkinson could get best out of him next season or that he will even play regularly? 

 

Doesn’t really matter. Neither will be here next season

[snowball]

23 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Doesn’t really matter. Neither will be here next season

Hopefully you are right. 

[Sluffy]

1 hour ago, MancWanderer said:

I get that but what can we offer whilst in admin? Can we offer contracts? Or do we have to wait until we are out of admin? Maybe it’s just me not understanding admin

I've no experience of being in Administration but if anyone is bothered about what would happen under such circumstances my views are as follows.

Firstly the value of the club to purchasers would be for the club to remain solvent and trading - otherwise if no one is interested in that, then the Administrator would have no alternative other than to liquidate us, sell off the remaining assets and settle with all the outstanding creditors.

So the question that the Administrator needs to determine is if the best strategy is to keep the club solvent and retain its EFL League One Status, or forgo the 'golden EFL share and become a non league club lower down the football pyramid.

Whatever is decided, to remain an ongoing football club would require adherence to the rules of whichever division it is you end up playing in. 

Assuming that a decision by the Administrator has been taken to remain at the third tier of football (why else keep Parkinson, his footballing staff and the players on the payroll and not made them all redundant by now and thus saving additional and amounting costs to the running of the club if the plan was to play in the Breightmet and District Sunday Pub League, Division Four, or similar) then it seems reasonable to assume that the club would require a minimum squad number in order to partake, which obviously would mean additional players to those already under contract for next season.

I guess the Administrators would therefore have the powers to employ players - even if it be like what appears to have been done with the Heathcote staff, namely employ them under the Administrators own company as employees and transfer them across (under TUPE legislation) to the eventual new owners company at the time of purchase.

I guess the reason the Administrator has kept Parkinson on and not made him redundant is to have an experienced and (at third tier level at least) successful person to manage the process if the club has not been sold in sufficient time for the new owners to appoint their own manager.

There is however one big problem I see IF the club hasn't been purchased by new owners before the season starts and that is that it seems the existing players and staff appear still to not to have been paid.  I assume there must be some EFL/Sky payment due to the club before the season kicks off, and similarly assume that would be sufficient to pay off all footballing creditors, including the players/managers wages?

I'm sure this scenario must have been envisaged and planned for however.

It would seem on the face of things to me that Mr Parkinson and his staff will remain in post (and presumably be at least making contingencies for possible signings and pre-season training) until the new owners decide otherwise - and don't forget his dismissal (one year rolling contract) and those of his staff, plus whatever package they offer the new manager and his staff, will all add to the cost of the takeover (which I guess would put a big dent in £1m in doing so - if not more!).

No doubt things will become a little bit more clearer after Friday.

[HR]

3 hours ago, Casino said:

I'd expect we are talking to players

A skint bolton is still a better option than a fair few teams

A bolton with some funds is a fantastic gig for a level 3 player

Agreed, which is why I don't understand players not holding their breath for a few weeks before jumping ship.  

[Tombwfc]

12 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

He's just gone to league one...perhaps somehow our players weren't quite up to the championship standard in reality?

 

What does 'Championship standard' even mean, when it comes to individual players?

[Tombwfc]

4 hours ago, ErnestTurnip said:

So true, same people who believe it also believe that Oztumer is a genius based on a goal he scored at our place and a performance against a 10 man team of ours away.

 

Not this shit again.

Thinking he (with 30+ goals in his previous two seasons) might be worth a go in the worst attacking side on planet earth doesn't mean you think he's Maradona.

[Wanderlust]

As regards players leaving and Parky being "retained" surely this is all in the air until a new owner is (hopefully) found. We could still be liquidated. And if we do get a new owner, surely that owner would decide Parky's fate? - so it's not as if the new prospective owner has decided to keep him on - he's just awaiting his fate like the remaining players.

And as for "championship standard players" surely that also depends on the new owners' financial position and whoever is available to be recruited when they finally take over? It's not as though we're yet in a position to be fussy.

What does stand out for me is that buying a club with no senior players automatically puts up the cost i.e having to buy a club and a team and the cost of a team certainly didn't appear in the estimates given for the cost of purchase.  Suddenly the £25 million is looking more like £100 million.

Maybe we'll be lucky enough to get a buyer who has enough money to think that a clearout was necessary and was always intending to buy a new team from scratch? But if we don't get a billionaire, players leaving is potentially a disaster.

Frankly there's little point in speculating until we know if we have a buyer and if so, who it is and what their plans are. We could be desperate for a Mark Little standard player next week.

[Sluffy]

14 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

As regards players leaving and Parky being "retained" surely this is all in the air until a new owner is (hopefully) found. We could still be liquidated. And if we do get a new owner, surely that owner would decide Parky's fate? - so it's not as if the new prospective owner has decided to keep him on - he's just awaiting his fate like the remaining players.

And as for "championship standard players" surely that also depends on the new owners' financial position and whoever is available to be recruited when they finally take over? It's not as though we're yet in a position to be fussy.

What does stand out for me is that buying a club with no senior players automatically puts up the cost i.e having to buy a club and a team and the cost of a team certainly didn't appear in the estimates given for the cost of purchase.  Suddenly the £25 million is looking more like £100 million.

Maybe we'll be lucky enough to get a buyer who has enough money to think that a clearout was necessary and was always intending to buy a new team from scratch? But if we don't get a billionaire, players leaving is potentially a disaster.

Frankly there's little point in speculating until we know if we have a buyer and if so, who it is and what their plans are. We could be desperate for a Mark Little standard player next week.

No, that's not right.

The Administrator has the power to terminate contracts and isn't tied by normal redundancy legislation so if he felt liquidation was inevitable he would have terminated the manager and the players long before now.

As the Administrator has not terminated their employment and is duty bound to maximise settlement to the clubs creditors (and not add to them, which in effect he is doing by keeping them on yet not paying them) then he is obviously doing so for a reason - which must be football sale related - ie retaining them as a manager or as players for next season.

If they remain at the club at the time of purchase the new owner is obligated to employ them under their existing contracts as per TUPE legislation.  Their 'fate' therefore would rest with the new owner either keeping them on, or finding funds to pay them off.

You clearly must have been drinking if you believe the new owner will be spending anything like £75m on player recruitment for their first season or so in charge.

As we only have I believe six remaining players contracted for the new season AND they still haven't been paid, there is nothing to stop them giving notice and moving to a new club if they so wish (that would apply to Parkinson and his staff also), all the others would go when their current contracts expire at the end of June. 

As for speculating I'm not sure that I am (if indeed you are referring to me at all?), as although I don't know the outcome of events, the action (or lack of action) by the Administrator clearly denotes the broad approach he is taking and legislation determines what rights and powers individuals will have throughout the Administration process and intended sale thereof and I've simply applied this in an attempt to answer another posters question on this matter.