Moderators Horwich Posted June 13, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 13, 2020 Looking at the comments I think the club and the fans have all got the management choices wrong. we didnt want megson and he turned out one of the best appointment We didnt have many arguments with Hill, coyle and Lennon and they all got us relegated. So it really doesnt matter who we get, its all about “right place, right time” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lofthouse Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Traf said: My only gripe about the timing of Hill's departure is that it has come 7 months too late. Should have gone after Accy. Was just about to type the same. Still wake up with sweats over that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 13, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Casino said: I think spackman was discussed at Rioch time I wanted him That was when alladyce was appointed I wanted Roy Evans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marple whites Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Horwich said: Looking at the comments I think the club and the fans have all got the management choices wrong. we didnt want megson and he turned out one of the best appointment We didnt have many arguments with Hill, coyle and Lennon and they all got us relegated. So it really doesnt matter who we get, its all about “right place, right time” Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondi Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Horwich said: Looking at the comments I think the club and the fans have all got the management choices wrong. we didnt want megson and he turned out one of the best appointment We didnt have many arguments with Hill, coyle and Lennon and they all got us relegated. So it really doesnt matter who we get, its all about “right place, right time” And more importantly a "Lorra Lorra Luck!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Faustus Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 16 hours ago, Moon boy said: 286 days in charge during the biggest shit storm this club has ever faced don’t think FV can hold their heads up and say they’ve been fare and reasonable Unless the new Gartside can stop the rot FV could be next alright Keith, have a snickers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Horwich said: Looking at the comments I think the club and the fans have all got the management choices wrong. we didnt want megson and he turned out one of the best appointment We didnt have many arguments with Hill, coyle and Lennon and they all got us relegated. So it really doesnt matter who we get, its all about “right place, right time” You lost me when you described Megson as a best appointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Horwich said: we didnt want megson and he turned out one of the best appointment We didnt have many arguments with Hill, coyle and Lennon and they all got us relegated. So it really doesnt matter who we get, its all about “right place, right time” I'd agree that "right place, right time " plays a large part in a manager's record, & that the tactics/methods that can bring success at one club can fail miserably at another with another group of players, backroom staff & impatient fans. In recent years Gary Rowett, Paul Hurst & Nathan Jones have all been highly rated for their work at one club but have failed when they have moved on. As hopeless as Hill was for us, it's worth remembering that overall he did a good job at Rochdale & closer to home, 2 of our most successful managers, Rioch & Fathead never came close to repeating what they achieved at Bolton after leaving us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger_Dubuis Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, bolton va va said: As hopeless as Hill was for us, it's worth remembering that overall he did a good job at Rochdale & closer to home, 2 of our most successful managers, Rioch & Fathead never came close to repeating what they achieved at Bolton after leaving us. Sam got West Ham promoted and established in the Premier League more comfortably than he did at Bolton At Bolton he won the play offs then finished 5th bottom and 4th bottom, at West Ham he won the play offs and then finished 10th and 13th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 13, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 13, 2020 Rioch was a disaster at millwall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJG Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 58 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said: Sam got West Ham promoted and established in the Premier League more comfortably than he did at Bolton At Bolton he won the play offs then finished 5th bottom and 4th bottom, at West Ham he won the play offs and then finished 10th and 13th Sam did not get wet ham into Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 59 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said: Sam got West Ham promoted and established in the Premier League more comfortably than he did at Bolton At Bolton he won the play offs then finished 5th bottom and 4th bottom, at West Ham he won the play offs and then finished 10th and 13th West Ham scraped up via the play offs with the biggest budget in the league, spent loads including £15 Million pissed away on Andy Carroll to achieve a mid/lower league position, Fathead was hated by the fans & finally sacked. I'd say that was a long way down from repeating what was achieved at Bolton, on a smaller budget & smaller crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Sam had the problem lots of managers do making the step up. Bolton fans were chuffed with mid table and the occasional bloody nose for the big boys. Sam's other clubs wanted best of the rest as a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marple whites Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 We are back to where we started 30 years ago, not sure really we have a great choice, or Can really attract people that are in jobs elsewhere. we can’t afford to pay contracts out, so they need to be unemployed. Albeit, I think we are a bigger pull than some, but not sure we can be choosy. dont think we will be over whelmed who ever it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Casino said: Rioch was a disaster at millwall Disaster ? Bit strong He got them in the play offs in the first season mid table in the second when he got sacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, marple whites said: We are back to where we started 30 years ago, not sure really we have a great choice, or Can really attract people that are in jobs elsewhere. we can’t afford to pay contracts out, so they need to be unemployed. Albeit, I think we are a bigger pull than some, but not sure we can be choosy. dont think we will be over whelmed who ever it is Silver lining is loads of other clubs are going to be fucked financially with no match day revenue. Might level the playing field a little bit next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted June 13, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2020 I'm with Stevie on this. Unless Aunty Sharon has got some more funding (young Gartside or maybe Peter Kenyon) I think it will come down to the fact that FV have done what they said they would do. For me they are still talking a good game and may be able to persuade a better class of manager to give us a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 14, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Farnywhite said: Disaster ? Bit strong He got them in the play offs in the first season mid table in the second when he got sacked Tell danny baker Hes still having nightmares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flannel Truscott Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 16 hours ago, Roger_Dubuis said: Sam got West Ham promoted and established in the Premier League more comfortably than he did at Bolton At Bolton he won the play offs then finished 5th bottom and 4th bottom, at West Ham he won the play offs and then finished 10th and 13th Sam never finished higher in the league than he did with us but don't let facts get in your way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted June 14, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Casino said: Tell danny baker Hes still having nightmares I fucking hope so 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 14, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Flannel Truscott said: Sam never finished higher in the league than he did with us but don't let facts get in your way That's not what he's saying though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: That's not what he's saying though. No what i think hes saying and what i would is that he did a good job everywhere he went but that the other clubs had bigger (unrealistic?) expectations and he will never be loved and appreciated more than at Bolton. With a few exceptions on here of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 14, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, snowball said: No what i think hes saying and what i would is that he did a good job everywhere he went but that the other clubs had bigger (unrealistic?) expectations and he will never be loved and appreciated more than at Bolton. With a few exceptions on here of course. Sam seemed to rub up some of the football hierarchy and it never seemed likely that he would get a top club. The England fiasco finished that once and for all. In a way, it would have been good to see what he could have done, instead of fire fighting. His success at West Ham wasn't appreciated, decent position in the top league after promotion was a good foundation, just as he did with us. Then he was flirted. Water under the bridge now, can't see BSA managing again to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flannel Truscott Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: That's not what he's saying though. I get that. He's saying, with his manc glasses on, that the season after promotion, and after spending 40m more quid, he notched up 4 more places. And my point is that its irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger_Dubuis Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Why are people reluctant to say Sam did a good job at West Ham? Rafa Benitez is a top manager and after gaining promotion with Newcastle he finished 10th and 13th in the first two seasons back, exactly the same two positions as Sam at West Ham. Good managers doing good jobs at similar sized clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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