Coronavirus

[Escobarp]

14 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Probably makes sense up there given it’s the urban areas with high rates and large swathes of Scotland with little or no infections. 

It probably makes sense so we all know what will happen if rates rise. But I would also think it’s unnecessary and unlikely given the data coming out of the vaccination studies and the impact on hospitalizations. 
 

she has also said her roadmap will broadly be similar to boris’. The end is nigh!

[Zico]

49 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Absolutely agreed, it doesn't make sense to me, and they are basically saying to Teachers and education staff "your okay, just get on with it, you dont matter, fuck you". 

I know some on here don't agree and just want their kids back in school, but it is in effect an herd immunity exercise, you may as well write of education this year.

I have a feeling they just want to use this 2 week period to test all the kids once back in, they have sent out testing kits to all Schools/Colleges and they want them to take 2 test per week, basically it's one big testing excersise.

And what do they do then when infections go through the roof, which they will ? 

wondering if it's an experiment

two week window, all back at school

if infections get out of hand during easter, no schools re-opening after

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, Zico said:

wondering if it's an experiment

two week window, all back at school

if infections get out of hand during easter, no schools re-opening after

That would be crazy, think it’s a crap decision from Boris to reopen schools, leave schools until after Easter and we should have broke the back of it with another 10/12 million vaccinated. 
 

p.s. id open restaurants over Easter, with social distancing in place, much safer than schools and better for everyone’s mental health & great for business. 

Edited February 22, 2021 by Mounts Kipper

[Casino]

44 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

It should be phased in, the youngest first in areas of low infection, for a few days at a time  -  they are least likely to become ill, and their parents are on average younger too - see how the infection rates go, then take it from there.

Imagine if you're an old parent, without a vaccine in a poor area,  with high infection,  like Middlesbrough  - 250 per 100k versus a young parent in a well off area with a low infection rate, like cheltenham - 28 per 100k.

  

i wouldnt ever claim i get this in the way you do, but we were supposed to be locking down to protect the NHS

dec -feb sees a spike in demand for hospital services every year

we are through that now

i dont think the NHS would break if we greatly eased the restrictions from march 8 (prob not 'free for all pubs' but 'covid secure' places)

 

 

oh, and the next politician who jumps on the 'we need to vaccinate teachers/coppers first' bandwagon can fuck right off

i think im at much greater risk than some otherwise healthy 25 year old teacher

Edited February 22, 2021 by Casino

[Zico]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

That would be crazy, think it’s a crap decision from Boris to reopen schools, leave schools until after Easter and we should have broke the back of it with another 10/12 million vaccinated. 

I agree

I just think there has to be a reason for a two week period followed by two weeks off

waiting can only make a positive difference in the long run

so why not wait?!

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

i wouldnt ever claim i get this in the way you do, but we were supposed to be locking down to protect the NHS

lockdowns are to curb the spread

[Guest]

2 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

If they don't do a phased return, I think it's fucking stupid. 

Israel have a phased return - infants and last 2 years of secondary in for 1 day so far,  only in areas with low cases - all the rest not back in for another month - they have vaccinated 50% of the population with at least one shot, nearly all eligable adults over 30yrs old -  30% have had 2 shots - on 8th March we will have done 25% with about 2% having 2 shots. 

An extra 4 weeks of closed schools,  is an extra 10 million vaccinated, many in the age group that are parents of secondary and college kids.

Almost all of those 10 million would have massivley reduced risk of getting ill, or if they do, getting ill seriously, less chance of passing it on, etc, a few weeks after the vaccine.

They're bascially saying it's a herd immunity experiment for school kids and their parents, everyone back in, off you go, let's see how the numbers rise, and if it's manageable, FFS.

Cases in September, before the kids went back last time had been below 1,000 a day for 10 weeks, - we are still at 11,000 today, and the current strain is more virulent than back then. It took us less than 3 weeks to go from 10k to 20k when the schools were open last time, with the case rises initially in the young and middle aged - it will happen again.

Have they learnt nothing! short term pain = long term gain.

Hospitalisations as a % of the infected  in the 30 -  60 yr old age is high - they don't die anywhere near as much as the oldies, but they still end up in hospital in large numbers.

2 fucking weeks - extend the summer term by 2 weeks FFS 

many kids don't give a shit about the online learning, it's the socialising, playing outside, having a game of footy that they're missing and which will restore mental health and wellbeing and is masivley less infection risk - let them do that instead - having indoor classes 2 weeks before easter aint going to give them much more benefit than waiting until after.  

I don’t think cases are the right measure, Peely

Hospitalisations are and I don’t expect them to tick back up after the kids go back to school, because of the vaccination numbers.

Hope I’m not wrong.

 

[Casino]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

lockdowns are to curb the spread

to protect the nhs

if it spreads around otherwise healthy folk sub 50, its very unlikely we are breaking the NHS

[Horwich]

The last 2 people I know who caught CV, did so in hospital 😳

[Casino]

i hate to go all conservative woman, but i agree with BD

 

This should be about hospitalisations and deaths

Maybe march 8 is a couple of weeks early but early april, i see no justification for much in the way of restrictions

maybe its as well im just a(thoroughly pissed off)  footsoldier 

 

[Casino]

thats fine

so vaccinate by age, not profession

55 year old teacher...get em done by all means

25...wait your turn - however, its odd that a 26 year old teacher with athsma isnt deemed a risk group

[superjohnmcginlay]

Lad caught it school a couple of weeks ago, wife then got it, thought id dodged it but haven’t. 
 

will my sense of smell ever return?! 
 

 

[Casino]

1 minute ago, superjohnmcginlay said:

Lad caught it school a couple of weeks ago, wife then got it, thought id dodged it but haven’t. 
 

will my sense of smell ever return?! 
 

 

mrs casino wants to catch it for that very reason

says itd make our bathroom a more pleasant place

sadly for her, shes been vacced

[farnworth white]

Lots of people here mentioning the children back at school for 2 weeks. I know schools differ in different areas but my Grandson in a Horwich primary school will be back in for 4 weeks as they don't finish for Easter until 1st April.

I am doing the homeschooling and it is doing my head in, but for now I would rather him be here rather than be in school potentially bringing the virus home at the moment, and that is even taking into consideration I go for the jab tomorrow. For the whole school to go back in for the 4 weeks, I'm sure there will be many classes sent home to self isolate in that time meaning more disruption again in many homes and 10-14 days of the 4 weeks back at home before Easter. 

I have no doubt all schools going back in one go will put back further restriction dates as cases will inevitably start to rise again as I feel it will breach condition 3 about infection rates risking the surge in hospital admissions.

[peelyfeet]

Just now, Casino said:

i wouldnt ever claim i get this in the way you do, but we were supposed to be locking down to protect the NHS

dec -feb sees a spike in demand for hospital services every year

we are through that now

i dont think the NHS would break if we greatly eased the restrictions from march 8

 

 

oh, and the next politician who jumps on the 'we need to vaccinate teachers/coppers first' bandwagon can fuck right off

i think im at much greater risk than some otherwise healthy 25 year old teacher

It's just a risk I don't think they should be taking for the sake of 2 weeks more online schooling - I don't think the benefit out weighs the risk - 10 million more people safe for the sake of 2 weeks of online school.

Start to open up - yes by all means, but open up the activities least likely to have large scale infection first and go from there - doing stuff outside is multiple times safer than indoors - let us go to the pub outside, let the kids play with their mates outside before you put 9 million kids indoors for 5 hours a day 7 days a week, then send them home to mainly unvaccinated parents.

Just seems an illogical risk to me, and nobody else has done it so we dont know what the results will be. If there is no phasing,  I'll be suprised if we don't see a large rise in the  non vaccinated and under 60s in hospital in April, and I'll be surprised if the govmt don't think this too -so they must be willing to let it happen. They haven't had a good track record over the last year, I think they're making the same mistake that they've made again, and I think they'll get loads of flack for it.

It seems the policy all along has been to crack on with as many deaths and illness as we can handle, instead of getting the infection rate realy low and letting us have longer periods out of lockdown, and preventing deaths and illness.

hope they do some sort of phasing, will have to see

 

[Horwich]

8 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

That's another story and a bit of a cock up, why didn't we use the nightingale more to protect other patients, all hypothetical now.

Nightingales were a good idea, but in hindsight, more money wasted.

[Roger_Dubuis]

7 minutes ago, superjohnmcginlay said:

Lad caught it school a couple of weeks ago, wife then got it, thought id dodged it but haven’t. 
 

will my sense of smell ever return?! 
 

 

Mine gradually came back after 3 months and is now about the same.The other thing is that milk tastes awful.I am an Alpen for breakfast man and am having to take it with water, milk tastes so sour

[Zico]

20 minutes ago, Casino said:

to protect the nhs

if it spreads around otherwise healthy folk sub 50, its very unlikely we are breaking the NHS

But we aren't getting back to normal till infections are down, hospitalisation and death is too late to take preventative action

They come down when infections come down 

The other relaxations in March seem cautious and measured, the school thing doesn't 

[superjohnmcginlay]

8 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

Mine gradually came back after 3 months and is now about the same.The other thing is that milk tastes awful.I am an Alpen for breakfast man and am having to take it with water, milk tastes so sour

3 months?!?

[Escobarp]

9 minutes ago, Zico said:

But we aren't getting back to normal till infections are down, hospitalisation and death is too late to take preventative action

They come down when infections come down 

The other relaxations in March seem cautious and measured, the school thing doesn't 

I read something yesterday the measure will no longer be cases in determining any restrictions and  it will be hospitalizations as per casino’s comments. 
 

they are confident that case increases wont Equal mass increase in hospitalizations. So it’s changing. 

[peelyfeet]

24 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I don’t think cases are the right measure, Peely

Hospitalisations are and I don’t expect them to tick back up after the kids go back to school, because of the vaccination numbers.

Hope I’m not wrong.

 

Hospitalisation rate is still high in under 60s though, they just don't die anywhere near as much as the oldies when they get in there - in Israel they've got more under 60s in hospital with covid than over 60s for the first time in a year.

using 5-17 year olds as the base group - increased chance of hospitalisation, according to CDC, in the non vaccinated are;

30 - 39yr old   X10

40 - 49 yr old  X15

50 - 64 yr old  X25

65 - 74 yr old  X35

75 - 84 yr old  X55  

I just think it's an illogical risk - we are vaccinating at a massivley higher number than the daily infection number,  - it's roughly a 380K benefit every day - there's got to be a break even point somewhere, but why not do a phase in for a few weeks to be safer instead of lumping them all in, in one go - I don't think anyone would be too bothered with that, if it means some kids have an extra few week at home, for the sake of caution, it can't be that bad surely?? - if they get it wrong, it takes much longer to get the numbers down than vice versa.

[Casino]

One for peely, whats the latest estimate as to vacced plus already had it

Obvs, we shouldn't double count, so sub 60 plus the vaccined?

 

I'm pretty sure post Christmas there were estimates of 100s of thousands if not millions having it in the SE?

Edited February 22, 2021 by Casino

[Spider]

So basically everyone wants something different.

Horwich and me want kids to be back.

Mounts wants a meal out. With Casino.

Peely wants the statistics-based option.

As I have no elderly relatives, I’m not arsed so will go with the schools option.

 

 

[Zico]

14 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I read something yesterday the measure will no longer be cases in determining any restrictions and  it will be hospitalizations as per casino’s comments. 
 

they are confident that case increases wont Equal mass increase in hospitalizations. So it’s changing. 

with their track record I'm not so confident

for me infections should be the factor, because whilst there are covid patients filling up wards, whether they die or not, it puts others at risk

the several people I know directly or indirectly who died of covid got it going into hospital for something else

the old and vunerable are still at risk if they can't go to hospital to get treated, or have to risk it, until they get their 2nd jab, and that's some time off yet

schools re-opening was a big factor in the spike last time, we finally seem to be getting somewhere, so now they want to do it again, and for me, we're not where we need to be yet for such a change in the rules

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

So basically everyone wants something different.

Horwich and me want kids to be back.

Mounts wants a meal out. With Casino.

Peely wants the statistics-based option.

As I have no elderly relatives, I’m not arsed so will go with the schools option.

 

 

Casino can go for a picnic with Meldrew as of March 8th, that's his life back