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Boby Brno Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Casino said: On the way? Weeks, months, years? If it was owt like imminent, this whole .ockdown would be presented in a different way, imo Something like, be patient, give us a few more weeks say... if it was presented like that, on a timeline of say, til december, you would get better buy in As it is, i know many, many generally law abiding folk wont be following all the rules And thats a cherry topped FACT Sorry to bring the Czechs into this again but they’ve already ordered theirs for the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Boby Brno said: Sorry to bring the Czechs into this again but they’ve already ordered theirs for the end of the year. Why isn’t this bigger news? This is fucking massive Like Casino says, give people a target and we might just come out of this unscathed by new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted October 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Spider said: Why isn’t this bigger news? This is fucking massive Like Casino says, give people a target and we might just come out of this unscathed by new year. Is it too much to hope it will be part of Boris announcement on Monday? probably but here’s hoping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spider said: Why isn’t this bigger news? This is fucking massive Like Casino says, give people a target and we might just come out of this unscathed by new year. It's going to take ages to get it rolled out unfortunately. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/who-unveils-global-plan-fairly-distribute-covid-19-vaccine-challenges-await Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peelyfeet Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54027269 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 There's going to be some folk who won't get vaccinated too. The higher the number who refuse it, the more likely the chance of mutation, which if it happens means we'd all need another vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted October 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54027269 Even if everyone doesn’t get it , surely some getting it would have a positive effect on the spread rates ? Would that be correct ? see you’ve answered above Edited October 10, 2020 by fatolive . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Just now, fatolive said: Even if everyone doesn’t get it , surely some getting it would have a positive effect on the spread rates ? Would that be correct ? Yes definitely, and if you target the health workers and the vulnerable first, even more positive effect. I can't see it starting until early 2021, hope I'm wrong, buy that's what I'm reading as the most likely. In the US they want 2 months of monitoring the phase 3 trial before moving to roll out, and the phase 3 trial aint finished yet, so even if it finished tomorrow, that's early Dec, and I'm fairly sure US will get first dibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: I’m 60, so nearly over 60. if it helped the country and I was asked to keep myself to myself, I would Who decides if it helps the country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) Letting the virus rip through populations also increases the chance of mutation. Every time the virus breaks into a cell, it has the opportunity to mutate. It would be horribly ironic if it does end up mutating because a large population went for natural herd immunity. Its unlikely to happen though, from what ive read, but the chance increases with every new infection. When I say mutate, I mean mutate in a way that renders the current vaccines ineffective Edited October 10, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, Escobarp said: And of course it will be the governments fault entirely that they’ve chosen to ignore the rules. Not entirely I do however think it would be the right thing that i allow my kids to continue see their respective other halves And i wont be going 6 months speaking to nobody other than folk at work and my wife and kids Its just not healthy Like ive said, im too old for a life like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Letting the virus rip through populations also increases the chance of mutation. Every time the virus breaks into a cell, it has the opportunity to mutate. It would be horribly ironic if it does end up mutating because a large population went for natural herd immunity. Its unlikely to happen though, from what ive read, but the chance increases with every new infection. When I say mutate, I mean mutate in a way that renders the current vaccines ineffective i do accept you know your stuff, apart from massively underestimating how many have had it, so was it you who said that over time the virus will weaken itself as it doesnt want to kill its host? Something like that? Edited October 10, 2020 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Presumably its the Oxford one (needs to be kept cold)? Dont we need to keep most, if not all, vaccines cold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2020 I’ve not seen any of my mates properly for fucking ages. Texting the lads about the football today whilst watching on a laptop is bullshit. love my family an all, but fucking hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted October 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2020 They need to issue anti body tests before a vaccine, Find out who's actually had it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, Casino said: Dont we need to keep most, if not all, vaccines cold? This ones super super cowd, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, Tombwfc said: Who decides if it helps the country? The Government, I expect Good philosophical question, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Spider said: Why isn’t this bigger news? This is fucking massive Like Casino says, give people a target and we might just come out of this unscathed by new year. Maybe this little caveat "December provided the final stages of the clinical trials are successful." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Spider said: Why isn’t this bigger news? This is fucking massive Like Casino says, give people a target and we might just come out of this unscathed by new year. I remember it being mentioned almost as an afterthought and a sweetener at the end of one of the briefings a few weeks ago but then hardly discussed. I've a feeling there might be some sort of injunction out in the media perhaps, because there's loads going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Marc505 said: I think just procuring freezers big and cold enough has been a major headache. Can we not have it on tap in those Guinness Extra Cold pumps at every pub. Free pint and a vaccine. Now get back to fucking work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spider said: Can we not have it on tap in those Guinness Extra Cold pumps at every pub. Free pint and a vaccine. Now get back to fucking work. Mix it into the Carling and the Dark Fruits as well, get everyone covered. Even maybe Holts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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