Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

What countries with similar population density and demographics have got on top of it? 

 

 

Japan - 126 million, ~2700 deaths
Phillippines - 109 million, ~8800 deaths
Thailand - 66 million, 60 deaths
Vietnam - 96 million, 35 deaths
Myanmar - 54 million, ~2300 deaths
South Korea - 52 million - 722 deaths

chuck in Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Iceland, Singapore and others

all consistent in their swift, strict approach to stopping the spread

4 of the worse off countries - USA, Brazil, UK and Mexico all had a non chalent approach, and are still paying the price

1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said:

last chance

tiers don't work, "crack on" is folly

got to go all in if we're to stand any chance of curbing this cunt

apply for a permit to leave the house each time you go out, soldiers and police on the streets 24/7, that sort of thing

no messing

or

blunder along and hope for the best

one of the other

If another lockdown is coming, then do it properly. 

Tier system is fine for me though. Some places managing well enough in 2, so its back to the same argument- is it fair on those places?

That's the whole point of them.

If not, then restrict everyone's interactions heavily until we're vaccinated.

 

32 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

My 15 year old is having a minor operation at Alder Hey in January, her and the Wife have to have a covid test a couple if days before they go. Which seems sensible.

I know it's been said before, but why didnt we just use the nightingale for covid cases, was it a staffing issue?, surely we have good enough people in the NHS to deploy and Rota staff on a priority basis. Maybe we could have avoided a lot of deaths.

It has always been about staff levels, not enough trained people to do the job.

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If another lockdown is coming, then do it properly. 

Tier system is fine for me though. Some places managing well enough in 2, so its back to the same argument- is it fair on those places?

That's the whole point of them.

If not, then restrict everyone's interactions heavily until we're vaccinated.

 

tiers is fine if done properly, however, clearly it's not

London should never have been in 2

and we're still on a learning curve

all of a sudden we have a new strain that spreads quicker

who knows what is around the corner

8 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

 

Japan - 126 million, ~2700 deaths
Phillippines - 109 million, ~8800 deaths
Thailand - 66 million, 60 deaths
Vietnam - 96 million, 35 deaths
Myanmar - 54 million, ~2300 deaths
South Korea - 52 million - 722 deaths

chuck in Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Iceland, Singapore and others

all consistent in their swift, strict approach to stopping the spread

4 of the worse off countries - USA, Brazil, UK and Mexico all had a non chalent approach, and are still paying the price

Hairy muff.

Wonder what their economies look like now though?

 

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Hairy muff.

Wonder what their economies look like now though?

 

I leave stuff like that to @birch-chorley

6 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Of course, but if other operations and appointments were cancelled to prioritise Covid, the redeployment of staff to the nightingales should have been easy.

 

I think you have answered your own question. Non critical procedures have been disrupted because of Covid and these members of staff have been redeployed accordingly. No extra staff have been brought in just more beds and ventilators. NHS had 40,000 nursing vacancies before this all started.

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

Spain & Italy had pretty strict lockdowns, it still resurfaced.

There isn't a perfect formula for this, but it does seem the countries above have done something right to quell the spread of this virus, do countries and Governments around the world not share good practice, what actually do the WHO offer? 

Is it a wonder we have the conspiracy theorists, all these Tiers, self-isolating rules for different counties and towns, it madness, confusing and counter productive, it's pretty obvious the spread in educational centres is the main cause, but for some reason the UK government dare not close them down.

Strict lockdown

Shut down commercial international travel

Government run quarantine facilities for all those who do enter

All until the virus is eliminated

That seems to be the answer. It can only work provided a vaccine becomes available shortly afterwards or every country does it, though.

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Spain & Italy had pretty strict lockdowns, it still resurfaced.

 

They did, in hindsight they weren't long enough, or done properly.

I speak to people in China who were practically under house arrest for 3 solid months - only allowed to leave their apartments to go to work or food shopping (which was under permit, for 1 hour per week).

Even going to work, when they arrived at work, they were temperature tested, then they had to remove all their clothes, have a shower and then given overalls. At close of play, they changed back into their own clothes, and the overalls were washed, ready for the next day. All conversation and interaction with other employees banned in the workplace (unless it was needed). Any cases reported in the factory, then the entire place was closed down for 2 weeks, with every employee sent home to isolate. The Government sent, on a regular basis, inspectors to factories and offices to check everything was as it should be, any irregularities found, the factory/office was shut down, and everybody sent home for 2 weeks to isolate and huge fines and jail terms handed out to those in charge.

That's how you lockdown properly, whilst still keeping you manufacturing base going

6 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Spain & Italy had pretty strict lockdowns, it still resurfaced.

There isn't a perfect formula for this, but it does seem the countries above have done something right to quell the spread of this virus, do countries and Governments around the world not share good practice, what actually do the WHO offer? 

Is it a wonder we have the conspiracy theorists, all these Tiers, self-isolating rules for different counties and towns, it madness, confusing and counter productive, it's pretty obvious the spread in educational centres is the main cause, but for some reason the UK government dare not close them down.

aye, maybe not strict enough?  but, looking at cases  yesterday:

Spain cases - 11,815 and going down
Italy cases - 10,869 and going down
UK cases - 33,364 and rising

no perfect formula, but ours has been one of the worst so far, whilst everyone for one reason (death) or another (economy) think we've had it tough

 

22 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Of course, but if other operations and appointments were cancelled to prioritise Covid, the redeployment of staff to the nightingales should have been easy.

 

I think it was all about the spread of resources. To staff the nightingales I am sure I read some where it was 50% less efficient. 
So from memory you need a base number of staff to run a hospital so a nightingale with 1 patient require say 50 staff. Whereas in a normal hospital you have say 10 patients per member of staff. So unless you get to a critical mass in the overflow area it is inefficient to switch it on. Pretty much the same as any business that has a disaster recovery over flow service only comes worth switching on if you are going to be over 125% of capacity for a given period. 
I have made these numbers up to illustrate the point before any one challenges that it is 123% of capacity. 

Furlough already decided at our place for January.

There has to be a consensus, and real punishments for people breaking lockdowns if they happen.

We can't have  another year of total confusion. We know how this virus works now. We need affirmative action.

I want a holiday, live football, live music and socialising next year. 

 

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

Italy and Spains were high last week, as were Germany's, Poland and a few others. We seem to always be a week or two behined. 

I'm all for a very strict lockdown, I just don't think as a country we have it in us to really do it, I do, but unfortunately some don't give a fuck, hence why Bojo and his government have been tippy toeing around it with these shite tier systems.

it does look like they have got on top of it this time in spain and italy, and if anything, we're ahead of the curve now (as it looks like Spain might be creeping back up)

agree completely with the 2nd bit

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Like a yo-yo this covid. 

I need a pint in a pub with some mates.... the simple things in life fella.

me too - and the match, and some gigs, and abroad for a holiday

and we will, once people stop having to go to hospital and/or dying because of it

it's no way to live, but it's no way to die either, trust me, seen it with my own eyes

Lets see how many so called 'stars' breach all restrictions over the festive period in that there London, because they can do what they want can't they?

Tell you what would be fun

There's over 1,000 lorry drivers all sharing facilities down in Kent.

All going to be tested.

Imagine if half of them are infected.

Let's be honest, it would hardly be a surprise.

Be more surprising if it didn't happen

21 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

it does look like they have got on top of it this time in spain and italy, and if anything, we're ahead of the curve now (as it looks like Spain might be creeping back up)

agree completely with the 2nd bit

 

 

 

 

Current figures here will be skewed by this new variant. No wonder Europe is stopping travel.

Can't blame them one bit.

6 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Lets see how many so called 'stars' breach all restrictions over the festive period in that there London, because they can do what they want can't they?

Incoming video of Sam Smith crying. The massive fuckin fanny

14 hours ago, blackleywhite said:

My daughter and her mother are saying they won't have the vaccine. 

If i was still living there they'd have the fucker trust me. 

Bellends.

My mum said same last week. I asked her why and she said she didn’t know what was in it.

I asked if she knew what was in the flu jab she’d recently had. Did she know what had been in the jabs she’d ever had for foreign travel? Or maybe the stuff they’d immunised me with as a baby?

Today I called round with her shopping and she says she’s expecting a call from her doctors offering the vaccine. Which she’ll happily have if it means an end to this lockdown.

Oh, and I think she may have told the old trout who speaks to her on the phone regularly to fuck off with her stupid anti-fax shite.

1 minute ago, MickyD said:

My mum said same last week. I asked her why and she said she didn’t know what was in it.

I asked if she knew what was in the flu jab she’d recently had. Did she know what had been in the jabs she’d ever had for foreign travel? Or maybe the stuff they’d immunised me with as a baby?

Today I called round with her shopping and she says she’s expecting a call from her doctors offering the vaccine. Which she’ll happily have if it means an end to this lockdown.

Oh, and I think she may have told the old trout who speaks to her on the phone regularly to fuck off with her stupid anti-fax shite.

Yeah it’s just a bizarre stance to have. A couple at work said it’s been developed too soon we don’t know the side effects. I can’t be arsed to get into it. 

Hopefully no stop to kids sports if we enter some kind of lockdown, training can still be done safely 

17 minutes ago, MickyD said:

My mum said same last week. I asked her why and she said she didn’t know what was in it.

I asked if she knew what was in the flu jab she’d recently had. Did she know what had been in the jabs she’d ever had for foreign travel? Or maybe the stuff they’d immunised me with as a baby?

Today I called round with her shopping and she says she’s expecting a call from her doctors offering the vaccine. Which she’ll happily have if it means an end to this lockdown.

Oh, and I think she may have told the old trout who speaks to her on the phone regularly to fuck off with her stupid anti-fax shite.

I’m beginning to listen to a few of these theories now, especially after coming across a meme on Facebook today. Everyone who received the first Small pox vaccine in 1796 is now dead. 
 

Makes you think 

Just now, royal white said:

I’m beginning to listen to a few of these theories now, especially after coming across a meme on Facebook today. Everyone who received the first Small pox vaccine in 1796 is now dead. 
 

Makes you think 

apart from Prince Phillip, he's still knocking around

33 minutes ago, Spider said:

Tell you what would be fun

There's over 1,000 lorry drivers all sharing facilities down in Kent.

All going to be tested.

Imagine if half of them are infected.

Let's be honest, it would hardly be a surprise.

They should just throw a load of prostitutes in there for them to murder.

Be like feeding time in a shark tank.