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1 hour ago, Morizio said:

I understand your points but we started the season late and on negative points. Suffered injuries after shopping in the reject aisle and we are the bottom of the pile because of the restrictions. 
 

None of our other managers have worked under these constraints. 
 

We’ve no idea what’s going on behind the scenes either but it’s apparent there a massive mess left after the Andersons. 

Yep, good points, but he's going to be working under the same constraints next season.

If he isn't coping now, I can't see him coping next season. 

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Sadly, I have to agree with that. We all know he's not got much to work with, injuries have been very unfortunate etc. However, what he should be capable of, at a bare minimum, is being able to s

Yes, Hill has had a lot to deal with, but why is he still not able to out a side out, no matter how shit those players are, who are able to play with any semblance of a game plan or, more importantly,

We're not even that good. It's like having a midfield full of Deriks.

Forgot Hamilton was on the field until about an hour in to the game. Won't hold it against him as he's been reasonably impressive since he came in.

I like Edwards but he was left in no man's land for the goal, and not for the first time. You'd think he'd be old enough to know better at this stage but his lack of first team experience is pretty glaring in situations like that.

Daryl Murphy had one of his better games and always seems to do better with the ball at his feet. That header in the first half though should have been a goal all over and must be the umpteenth time this season where he has had a free header that has gone straight at the keeper.

Feel really sorry for Buckley. It's one thing being injury prone but nobody can legislate for an impact injury like that.

Thought we made a real push of it after the equaliser and the crowd responded to that which was pretty enjoyable given how few were on, just a shame we didn't have an answer to Bristol's gamesmanship on that front.

I think it is only natural to worry about Hill based on the results and it is an easy out to blame it on the recruitment situation, but I'm not sure there's many managers who would get a tune out of such a set of misfits and ne'er do wells so I'm happy enough to give him a go for next season based on how well he's done at that level previously.

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Good thing on here is you have reasoned discussion unlike twitter. And all the points made on KH by burden bogs, Daz, Dan, Mick brown etc are hard to argue against but still I think there is a discussion because of the points I and Morizo made earlier. Is KH out of his depth? Maybe he is, the last 2 months certainly doesn’t do him any favours. But these circumstances are unique and unchartered and sep-Oct showed promise. 
 

Trying hard to think of a current analogy where sticking with someone who has shown promise reaps the reward. Best I can do is Joe Root. Rightly questioned on his captaincy and results during the ashes, against New Zealand and in the first test v SA where they were ravaged with illness and selection. But with some young guns finding there feet and a bit of consistency in selection he’s shown the qualities of good captaincy again. Now I know there can be arguments against this; KH too set in his ways, random interviews, seemingly no short term plan. The jury is certainly out but I’m happy to stick with him for the time being.

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37 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Forgot Hamilton was on the field until about an hour in to the game. Won't hold it against him as he's been reasonably impressive since he came in.

I like Edwards but he was left in no man's land for the goal, and not for the first time. You'd think he'd be old enough to know better at this stage but his lack of first team experience is pretty glaring in situations like that.

Daryl Murphy had one of his better games and always seems to do better with the ball at his feet. That header in the first half though should have been a goal all over and must be the umpteenth time this season where he has had a free header that has gone straight at the keeper.

Feel really sorry for Buckley. It's one thing being injury prone but nobody can legislate for an impact injury like that.

Thought we made a real push of it after the equaliser and the crowd responded to that which was pretty enjoyable given how few were on, just a shame we didn't have an answer to Bristol's gamesmanship on that front.

I think it is only natural to worry about Hill based on the results and it is an easy out to blame it on the recruitment situation, but I'm not sure there's many managers who would get a tune out of such a set of misfits and ne'er do wells so I'm happy enough to give him a go for next season based on how well he's done at that level previously.

All good points, but if this club is to survive and not get into the same situation as last few years  it cannot afford to spend season after season in Div One/Two hoping for a lucky break. 

Hill is a manager who has done well with lucky breaks, his biggest one was BWFC, but its not what will be required as he just doesn’t have the ability to coach or manage a club the size of Bolton.

Give him this season and then say thanks and move on.

 

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3 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Christ - I didn't notice the defender just leaving that cross last night for their goal.

Then have the brassneck to criticise Matthews. That's just beyond shite

Who was that?

I said earlier, comfortably the worst defending I've ever witnessed at a professional level.Edwards was particularly bad but the whole sequence from everyone involved was diabolical. 

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12 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Christ - I didn't notice the defender just leaving that cross last night for their goal.

Then have the brassneck to criticise Matthews. That's just beyond shite

Who was that?

It looked like Edwards heard a shout from Matthews to me, as there was no reason to leave that cross. 

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15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It looked like Edwards heard a shout from Matthews to me, as there was no reason to leave that cross. 

Can't see that being the case given Matthews (who make a magnificent save first save, it has to be said) was rooted to the spot. Lost count of how many goals we've conceded in similar circumstances this season.

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Hamilton, Darcy, Politic and Edward's are young inexperienced players, they need help from the older pro's, the only one I see taking up that mantle is Jason Lowe. 

Luke Murphy does okay, but he's not the type who is going to bring these young ones on. 

Emmanuel and the Dodoo seem to just want to coast through games, two instance in the 2nd half last night were Dodoo just completely bottled a challenge.

Flemming was sound, but wont be our player, big Daz Murphy is doing a sterling job up top. Matthew's will do for now, but he needs to cut out individual errors.

The players collectively need to start hounding the referee more, they just take the decisions, its fucking spineless and shows they don't care. No wonder the refs dont mind giving decisions against us, they know they're going to get an easy ride. 

Yes Chino Kieth has a big job on his hands, but for the last two months he hasn't got the basics right, since the Accy debacle has been found out and doesn't seem to have a clue how to go about it, devoid of tactics and putting square pegs in round holes.

I'm just hoping this Kenyon thing is going to bare something positive for the future, because at the moment I am just moaning through the games, it's becoming a chore!

... anyway on to the tramps, Cov, Mk, Wimbledon etc  ... 😀

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17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It looked like Edwards heard a shout from Matthews to me, as there was no reason to leave that cross. 

I'm not so sure, I think he's just completely lost himself and decides not to play the ball because it's in that corridor, but everything about it is bad. 

Poor first header from Nsiala, second ball doesn't get challenged even though Edwards and the LB could both do so, midfielder then commits unnecessarily and gets drifted past, Nsiala fumbles the challenge after that and then Edwards watches the ball go straight across the 6 yard box despite being able to comfortably control it if he needed. Honestly, I'd be embarrassed seeing that in a Sunday league fixture.

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For their goal I don’t understand why Lowe stays on the other side of the striker instead of goal side, sorry Jason but that was shite defending, we just cannot even do the basics, we’ve shit players led by shit management team and owners who’ve lost their tongue, we’re not rescuing this situation with the incumbent team, management and owners. 

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53 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Christ - I didn't notice the defender just leaving that cross last night for their goal.

Then have the brassneck to criticise Matthews. That's just beyond shite

Who was that?

Just seeing this myself Mick. Shocking.

As others have pointed out, just a terrible sequence of events.

But all game we just weren't aggressive enough, made it too easy for them.

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22 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Hamilton, Darcy, Politic and Edward's are young inexperienced players, they need help from the older pro's, the only one I see taking up that mantle is Jason Lowe. 

Luke Murphy does okay, but he's not the type who is going to bring these young ones on. 

Emmanuel and the Dodoo seem to just want to coast through games, two instance in the 2nd half last night were Dodoo just completely bottled a challenge.

Flemming was sound, but wont be our player, big Daz Murphy is doing a sterling job up top. Matthew's will do for now, but he needs to cut out individual errors.

The players collectively need to start hounding the referee more, they just take the decisions, its fucking spineless and shows they don't care. No wonder the refs dont mind giving decisions against us, they know they're going to get an easy ride. 

Yes Chino Kieth has a big job on his hands, but for the last two months he hasn't got the basics right, since the Accy debacle has been found out and doesn't seem to have a clue how to go about it, devoid of tactics and putting square pegs in round holes.

I'm just hoping this Kenyon thing is going to bare something positive for the future, because at the moment I am just moaning through the games, it's becoming a chore!

... anyway on to the tramps, Cov, Mk, Wimbledon etc  ... 😀

Edwards is certainly inexperienced, but he's not young.

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6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

For their goal I don’t understand why Lowe stays on the other side of the striker instead of goal side, sorry Jason but that was shite defending, we just cannot even do the basics, we’ve shit players led by shit management team and owners who’ve lost their tongue, we’re not rescuing this situation with the incumbent team, management and owners. 

In a (slight) defence of Lowe, I think he'd be asking where his centre backs are at that point if he's having to mark their central striker.

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4 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

In a (slight) defence of Lowe, I think he'd be asking where his centre backs are at that point if he's having to mark their central striker.

He’d no one else to mark,  as the senior pro he should have been marking the player next to him and screaming at Edwards Away!! No communication, no common sense and no guidance and he’s the captain. Utter shite.

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1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He’d no one else to mark,  as the senior pro he should have been marking the player next to him and screaming at Edwards Away!! No communication, no common sense and no guidance and he’s the captain. Utter shite.

Not doubting he should have done better, but when it is a cross coming from our left - contested by our full back rather than either centre back - then it's a serious pile of shite if the right back is the one being held at fault.

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Just now, Leyther_Matt said:

Not doubting he should have done better, but when it is a cross coming from our left - contested by our full back rather than either centre back - then it's a serious pile of shite if the right back is the one being held at fault.

They all share the blame, none of them did there job, it seems ingrained in our club, we need a new Bruce to sweep the club clean, sadly it ain’t happening. 

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I'm with Mounts Kipper on Hill, he gets this this year as a freebie, but we'd better be up there and looking like contenders after 10 games in League 2 or he can fuck off.

If his style around the club is like his interviews, he's not the guy. He just comes across as tinpot.

Hopefully there's a long term plan but it's hard to see what that is when we've gone from decent, flowing football to yet another bunch of Lump It And Hope merchants. That's what really baffles me. It was enjoyable for a while.

None of us know what happens behind the scenes, but he gets until October, as we're already down and that's not all his fault.

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I just want to see a few wins this season. We've had 3 seasons now where we've barely been out of relegation places. At least being so far behind, we can have a go now without nerves and try and get some pride back in the place

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