Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I’m not begrudging anything anyone is getting paid. Far from it. I think it’s necessary and a very good move. when it’s said and done it needs paying for as we all know. I just don’t see why everybody should pay and technically you’re claiming nothing. But the benefit it there. Irrespective of who is technically claiming it. The end user benefiting from it are those furloughed simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Life isn’t fair. Taxes aren’t fair. Things happen outside of any of our control. The taxes will inevitably go up and if I’m lucky enough to still be in the job, I’ll happily pay my share. It’s the way the system works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jol_BWFC said: Life isn’t fair. Taxes aren’t fair. Things happen outside of any of our control. The taxes will inevitably go up and if I’m lucky enough to still be in the job, I’ll happily pay my share. It’s the way the system works. And that’s your view. I don’t share it. i also find life very fair on balance. And I find taxes fair and equitable as they stand currently. So again i have a different viewpoint Edited April 9, 2020 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: I’m not begrudging anything anyone is getting paid. Far from it. I think it’s necessary and a very good move. when it’s said and done it needs paying for as we all know. I just don’t see why everybody should pay and technically you’re claiming nothing. But the benefit it there. Irrespective of who is technically claiming it. The end user benefiting from it are those furloughed simple as that. Fair enough. Right, I'm off to make a list of things I think I should contribute to and things I shouldn't. I'll then contact the tax office and demand a sizeable rebate after my 27 years of contributions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Escobarp said: And that’s your view. I don’t share it. And that’s fair enough. It would be a boring message board if we all agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, DazBob said: Fair enough. Right, I'm off to make a list of things I think I should contribute to and things I shouldn't. I'll then contact the tax office and demand a sizeable rebate after my 27 years of contributions. Good for you. Enjoy that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Not sure society is for you Escobarp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said: Not sure society is for you Escobarp. Why do you say that? Because I have a differing view on something? I pay my taxes and am happy to and pay a good whack of them but I accept that the more you earn the more you pay. In all honesty if they decided we all had to pay 5 or even 10% more tax to repay this it wouldn’t affect my lifestyle one iota. But I would begrudge paying it. but in this instance I don’t feel I should pay the same (or likely more) than those furloughed. That’s all but if you then draw from that I’m not for society then that’s a very strange conclusion to reach but bash on Edited April 9, 2020 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Here’s an idea. Take a flat 200 out of everyone wages each month and pop it in the furlough repayment pot. How does that sound to folk? Not a percentage of earnings as would be with taxation but a straight line sum out of every wage packet? That’s equitable? Would folk accept that? Or is that unfair and people earning more should have to contribute more? im just trying to find a way to repay this debt as it’s going to have to be repaid I accept that. I just think if we’ve all got to contribute which is likely to be the way it is And despite my own views realistically it’s the only fair way of doing it then it’s got to be a fair way of doing it that’s all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 It will be a while before we start paying it back They will need to get the economy going, that needs spending, taking money out of peoples pockets won’t do that 2-3 years of that, see some growth, then start to repay it slowly based on a growing economy The government borrow for next to nothing, interest wise it’s effectively free money, no need to race to pay it off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Agree we need to concentrate on stimulating the economy. The main thing to change that could impact that will be people’s cautiousness as this has been a huge shock to everyone’s system and it’s financially impacted a lot of folk who will need to play catch up on things and may well want to live with more wool on their backs in the future. Those things will significantly reduce consumer spending even when we are free of this horrible virus it’s going to take an awful long time things to get back to where they were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: It will be a while before we start paying it back They will need to get the economy going, that needs spending, taking money out of peoples pockets won’t do that 2-3 years of that, see some growth, then start to repay it slowly based on a growing economy The government borrow for next to nothing, interest wise it’s effectively free money, no need to race to pay it off Spot on loose money for quite a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 9, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Here’s an idea. Take a flat 200 out of everyone wages each month and pop it in the furlough repayment pot. How does that sound to folk? A bit shit My lads on about 9 an hour at the local Morrison's dealing with anybody who wants to come within a couple of feet of him Proper key worker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Agree we need to concentrate on stimulating the economy. The main thing to change that could impact that will be people’s cautiousness as this has been a huge shock to everyone’s system and it’s financially impacted a lot of folk who will need to play catch up on things and may well want to live with more wool on their backs in the future. Those things will significantly reduce consumer spending even when we are free of this horrible virus it’s going to take an awful long time things to get back to where they were So, just so we've all got this straight... Only those who have been furloughed should have to pay back what it has cost the government to fund the scheme? Presumably impose an extraordinarily high tax code for them? Of course this would mean they'd really feelingl the squeeze and mean they'd have much less disposable income ... which would certainly not be conducive to stimulating the economy. Not sure that makes any sense to me. Mind you, as you clearly have so much money, maybe you can spend an extra 10% or 20% on consumer goods and stuff to do your bit for the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Casino said: A bit shit My lads on about 9 an hour at the local Morrison's dealing with anybody who wants to come within a couple of feet of him Proper key worker Tell him to contact the tax office to ensure his taxes don't go up after all this has ended. After all, he's not been furloughed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, DazBob said: So, just so we've all got this straight... Only those who have been furloughed should have to pay back what it has cost the government to fund the scheme? Presumably impose an extraordinarily high tax code for them? Of course this would mean they'd really feelingl the squeeze and mean they'd have much less disposable income ... which would certainly not be conducive to stimulating the economy. Not sure that makes any sense to me. Mind you, as you clearly have so much money, maybe you can spend an extra 10% or 20% on consumer goods and stuff to do your bit for the economy. I don’t think anything should be paid back straight away as we need to focus on the economy and boosting it But it needs paying back at some point but either way I know I’m going to have to contribute and will do so as the government decides fit. But it doesn’t mean I have to agree with it and if you think constantly repeating my views to me is going to make me change my opinion then you will be disappointed sadly My household income hasn’t been affected I’m very fortunate and know that. And what I Earn or how much I have or don’t have to spend is a personal matter. and likewise what I choose to spend my money on is my Business entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, DazBob said: Tell him to contact the tax office to ensure his taxes don't go up after all this has ended. After all, he's not been furloughed. See your getting the point now. Well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 9, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 9, 2020 Was it this week i mentioned irony doesnt come across very well on tinternet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Casino said: Was it this week i mentioned irony doesnt come across very well on tinternet Evidently not and sarcasm also if you think my last comment was serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share Posted April 9, 2020 Fair enough, no point engaging with you on this any more. Let's just hope you never need anything from anyone and then those that can help opt not to because they don't see why they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Anyway taxation and people’s finances are an emotive subject at the best of times and currently it’s even worse for folk understandably so I shall bow out of this debate as I’m mindful of that certainly no offence meant on my part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, DazBob said: Fair enough, no point engaging with you on this any more. Let's just hope you never need anything from anyone and then those that can help opt not to because they don't see why they should. That isn’t what I’m saying and you know zero about me or what I’ve chosen to do to help people close to me Through this time which is really really shit for some. I see it at very close quarters what this has done to some. so let’s leave it there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted April 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 10, 2020 at the end of the day, whatever it takes tax wise, we're all paying for it, whether we like it or not just pretend in your mind you're paying for something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: at the end of the day, whatever it takes tax wise, we're all paying for it, whether we like it or not just pretend in your mind you're paying for something else Ha I wouldn’t take AIG health insurance at £2 a month because they couldn’t guarantee it could land in Gary Neville’s back pocket. I knew it was time for a career change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, tomski said: Ha I wouldn’t take AIG health insurance at £2 a month because they couldn’t guarantee it could land in Gary Neville’s back pocket. I knew it was time for a career change. Sounds reasonable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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