Take Hunt Off Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 59 minutes ago, bolty58 said: In your opinion. British hero for me. As the programme said - only the greats get mentioned only by surname. Churchill, Nelson, Thatcher etc. End of. The problem with Thatcher wasnt just about her & the NUM .Engineering particularly in Bolton was decimated by her policy of high interest rates nothing at all to do with unions.Thomas Ryders Dobson & Barlow B& F Carter to name but a few went to the wall & those skilled jobs went forever .The early eighties marked the end for many engineering jobs in the NW.This policy was deliberate .The deal Thatcher did with Europe was basically we got service industries such as Banking a few large foreign owned assembly plants eg Nissan /Toyota but we got rid of coal / steel & most of heavy medium manufacturing the only exceptions being defence & nuclear Thatcher was responsible for that decline not your red bogey men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelredne1961 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, bolty58 said: In your opinion. British hero for me. As the programme said - only the greats get mentioned only by surname. Churchill, Nelson, Thatcher etc. End of. I call her by her surname because I have little if any respect by her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelredne1961 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Andy Gee said: Madonna, Sooty, Bjork Laurel, Hardy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Revelredne1961 said: Thatcher was an evil vindictive bitch who took free milk from Children, destroyed whole industries and starved people back to work, end of Might be time to cancel your ‘Socialist Worker’ subscription. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Take Hunt Off said: The problem with Thatcher wasnt just about her & the NUM .Engineering particularly in Bolton was decimated by her policy of high interest rates nothing at all to do with unions.Thomas Ryders Dobson & Barlow B& F Carter to name but a few went to the wall & those skilled jobs went forever .The early eighties marked the end for many engineering jobs in the NW.This policy was deliberate .The deal Thatcher did with Europe was basically we got service industries such as Banking a few large foreign owned assembly plants eg Nissan /Toyota but we got rid of coal / steel & most of heavy medium manufacturing the only exceptions being defence & nuclear Thatcher was responsible for that decline not your red bogey men. Bollocks, engineering, not just in Bolton but all over the country was de-skilled when CNC machines and the like came in, it was just normal industrial progression, are you blaming her for scarcity of chimney sweeps as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelredne1961 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: Might be time to cancel your ‘Socialist Worker’ subscription. Yawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Andy Gee said: Madonna, Sooty, Bjork Madonna is her fist name JSL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Andy Gee said: Madonna, Sooty, Bjork Milligan, Cleese, Everett, Sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelredne1961 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: Might be time to cancel your ‘Socialist Worker’ subscription I am a socialist but far from a left wing luvvy, I lived through Thatcher and I have my reasons for despising everything she stood for, but this is is a football forum so let's leave it there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Pugh Pugh Barney McGrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 28, 2020 28 minutes ago, frank_spencer said: Madonna is her fist name JSL As are sooty and bjork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted June 28, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said: Pugh Pugh Barney McGrew Cuthburt, Dibble & Grubb 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take Hunt Off Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: Bollocks, engineering, not just in Bolton but all over the country was de-skilled when CNC machines and the like came in, it was just normal industrial progression, are you blaming her for scarcity of chimney sweeps as well? You need to do a bit of research on the early eighties industrial decline caused by Thatcher & her government rarther than spouting bollocks. Jobs were created when CNC & CAD came in you fuckwit .It was mass redundancies & factory closures that Thatcher initiated .That wasnt industrial progress. Edited June 28, 2020 by Take Hunt Off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanGreavsie Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: As are sooty and bjork what the fuck was Sooty's surname? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 First time on this thread Had to double check that I’d not gone into the politics thread by accident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 31 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said: what the fuck was Sooty's surname? Sooty is just his stage name. His real name is Steveland Judkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Take Hunt Off said: You need to do a bit of research on the early eighties industrial decline caused by Thatcher & her government rarther than spouting bollocks. Jobs were created when CNC & CAD came in you fuckwit .It was mass redundancies & factory closures that Thatcher initiated .That wasnt industrial progress. I worked in engineering all through the 70’s and80’s, CNC & CAD meant one machine could do the job of several other skilled men turners, millers ect. Where I worked they trained women up to work them machines and paid them less than skilled blokes. How could MT herself initiate ‘mass redundancies & factory closures’?, that’s just progress, like I said your talking bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted June 28, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2020 And at the same time, the Chinese saw that undercutting the world production costs would close down manufacturing across the world and make them a vital cog in world dominance. Steel prices, even though an inferior product, plummeted so the Chinese were at least mostly if not wholly to blame for the lack of British industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take Hunt Off Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Moon boy said: I worked in engineering all through the 70’s and80’s, CNC & CAD meant one machine could do the job of several other skilled men turners, millers ect. Where I worked they trained women up to work them machines and paid them less than skilled blokes. How could MT herself initiate ‘mass redundancies & factory closures’?, that’s just progress, like I said your talking bollocks Your missing the point .Technology does mean some jobs disappear although the new technology creates new opportunities as well.All the Bolton factories mentioned went to the wall because of government policy ie high interest rates caused by monetary policy .This was deliberate de-industrialisation .Ironically only the defence & nuclear industries were spared (because of their strategic importance) even though they were the most inefficient & the government pumped millions in. Do you think Germany would have given up coal & steel production plus its heavy industry ? Not a chance .Thats why they remain to this day a dominant industrial nation unlike us scuppered by Thatcherism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Just about scraped through all the turmoil in my working years 69-19, from a skilled engineer, mining, building and serving coffee beside a swimming pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Take Hunt Off said: Your missing the point .Technology does mean some jobs disappear although the new technology creates new opportunities as well.All the Bolton factories mentioned went to the wall because of government policy ie high interest rates caused by monetary policy .This was deliberate de-industrialisation .Ironically only the defence & nuclear industries were spared (because of their strategic importance) even though they were the most inefficient & the government pumped millions in. Do you think Germany would have given up coal & steel production plus its heavy industry ? Not a chance .Thats why they remain to this day a dominant industrial nation unlike us scuppered by Thatcherism. Inflation in the U.K. was 17% in 1979, it was the same throughout the West, Governments used interest rates to try and get it under control I'm familiar with the Company’s you mention, they were all caught out by needing to modernise their machinery but needed to do it at the worst possible time to borrow money with interest rates sky high, we had a mortgage at the time and got shafted but we had no choice. Sadly the firms fell by the wayside and the work went elsewhere but again to try and blame MT is incorrect imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take Hunt Off Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Moon boy said: Inflation in the U.K. was 17% in 1979, it was the same throughout the West, Governments used interest rates to try and get it under control I'm familiar with the Company’s you mention, they were all caught out by needing to modernise their machinery but needed to do it at the worst possible time to borrow money with interest rates sky high, we had a mortgage at the time and got shafted but we had no choice. Sadly the firms fell by the wayside and the work went elsewhere but again to try and blame MT is incorrect imo We will have to agree to disagree & you don’t explain why Germany kept its manufacturing industry & we didn’t (political will) plus Thatcher stitching us up with a service sector economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, leigh white said: Just about scraped through all the turmoil in my working years 69-19, from a skilled engineer, mining, building, lying frozen on a roof in Liverpool, and serving coffee beside a swimming pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: I never liked steep roofs, my balance was rotten. When i mimicked the fairground lads collecting money on the Speedway ride stood up at 10 year old when it was wizzing round and nearly got flung 4 fields away, I knew then.☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 28, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Take Hunt Off said: We will have to agree to disagree & you don’t explain why Germany kept its manufacturing industry & we didn’t (political will) plus Thatcher stitching us up with a service sector economy. Didn't (still do) Germany have far easier access to coal making it cheaper to extract? Did we go down the route of North sea oil? I also understand MT was one of the first leaders to talk about environmental effects of fossil fuels. I agree that we have not got enough manufacturing in this country, though globalisation generally doesn't help. Must come back to an extent surely. Pity Horwich loco works couldn't be converted to make wind turbine blades etc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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