Kids Footy

[Kane57]

19 minutes ago, Steejay said:

Have they seen his proper birth certificate?

He’s probably 27.

Sigh

[gonzo]

Lad played on saturday. 

They were playing brilliantly. Unlucky to be 1-1 at half time.

Went 2-1 up with a great solo effort from a lad called jack. 

After he scored the manager rotated the team. 3 best attacking players ended up back 3. I watched in horror at my lad getting running round in circles as they conceded 7 in 20 mintues.

 

[Horwich]

Move clubs

[peelyfeet]

4 hours ago, gonzo said:

Lad played on saturday. 

They were playing brilliantly. Unlucky to be 1-1 at half time.

Went 2-1 up with a great solo effort from a lad called jack. 

After he scored the manager rotated the team. 3 best attacking players ended up back 3. I watched in horror at my lad getting running round in circles as they conceded 7 in 20 mintues.

 

Haha, he's following the correct guidlines mate. 

FA have a "long term player development" framework. Search it on Google, you'll find loads of info.

He's doing the right thing. When they move to 11 a side, which they may play for 20 odd years, many of the lads won't be playing in the same position as they do in small sided games. It's impossible if you think about it. Some 11 a side teams only play 3 attack minded players. Wing backs and midfielders have to be able to beat players, pass, cross, take defensive positions, take set pieces, score, tackle. Learning how to do the fundamentals of this when young is much easier than when you're a teenager.

 

My lad played in a decent grass roots team, 4 of the lads have been signed up to academies for the last  5 years so far. The coach rotated all the time, even the goalie, even in a cup final. We lost tournaments because of it. Disappointing at the time. Some dads would say "We would have won if he'd played X in, X position". So what, do you think anyone cares now? My lad can't even remember the name of the team he played, let alone the scores.

The main centre forward for the grass roots team was awesome at scoring goals, 10 a match sometimes, he plays mainly full back now, he's small, fast. The left winger was awesome at beating players, powerful runner, he's a CB now, hated playing in defence when he was 8. The right winger plays defensive midfield.

Some players develop physically and psychologicaly in ways that prevent them from playing in certain positions when they're older.  You don't see many 5ft 5 centre backs, or keepers. What happens to the lad who's played in goals until he was 14, who ends up being small? What about the lad who played CF every match and training session in his 7 a side grass roots team who ends up being a late developer and  when they get to 11 a side an early developer takes his CF place? When they get to 14, some lads can have the body, mind and technical skills of a 12yr old, others of a 16yr old.

Players need to work on improving things they aren't good at, to get better. Rotation helps this.

It changes when they get to u12, but before that they need to play in as many positions as possible. 

If you want to win matches, move to a team  and coach that puts winning before player development, but don't be surprised if some players get preferential treatment over others. There's nothing worse than seeing a lad get 5 minutes game time most weeks because the coach wants to win. Much worse than losing for that lad.

My lads grass roots team had a main rival, from Salford. They played to win, cherry picked players from other clubs, who were all at pro club development centres, mainly City and united. Their dads wanted to win. They didn't rotate. They usually beat us, by about 8 once. None of their players are at academies any more, they all dropped down to lower academies, then released. Which coach did the better job? Do you think those lads remember beating us by 8 or getting released from accrington Stanley at 10yrs old?

Edited September 16, 2020 by peelyfeet

[RUREADY2ROLL]

Off to Rugby Town vs Redditch United under 19's tonight to watch my grandson; really looking forward to it. First game of the season

[peelyfeet]

7 hours ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

Off to Rugby Town vs Redditch United under 19's tonight to watch my grandson; really looking forward to it. First game of the season

How did he get on?

[desperado]

10 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

Haha, he's following the correct guidlines mate. 

FA have a "long term player development" framework. Search it on Google, you'll find loads of info.

He's doing the right thing. When they move to 11 a side, which they may play for 20 odd years, many of the lads won't be playing in the same position as they do in small sided games. It's impossible if you think about it. Some 11 a side teams only play 3 attack minded players. Wing backs and midfielders have to be able to beat players, pass, cross, take defensive positions, take set pieces, score, tackle. Learning how to do the fundamentals of this when young is much easier than when you're a teenager.

 

My lad played in a decent grass roots team, 4 of the lads have been signed up to academies for the last  5 years so far. The coach rotated all the time, even the goalie, even in a cup final. We lost tournaments because of it. Disappointing at the time. Some dads would say "We would have won if he'd played X in, X position". So what, do you think anyone cares now? My lad can't even remember the name of the team he played, let alone the scores.

The main centre forward for the grass roots team was awesome at scoring goals, 10 a match sometimes, he plays mainly full back now, he's small, fast. The left winger was awesome at beating players, powerful runner, he's a CB now, hated playing in defence when he was 8. The right winger plays defensive midfield.

Some players develop physically and psychologicaly in ways that prevent them from playing in certain positions when they're older.  You don't see many 5ft 5 centre backs, or keepers. What happens to the lad who's played in goals until he was 14, who ends up being small? What about the lad who played CF every match and training session in his 7 a side grass roots team who ends up being a late developer and  when they get to 11 a side an early developer takes his CF place? When they get to 14, some lads can have the body, mind and technical skills of a 12yr old, others of a 16yr old.

Players need to work on improving things they aren't good at, to get better. Rotation helps this.

It changes when they get to u12, but before that they need to play in as many positions as possible. 

If you want to win matches, move to a team  and coach that puts winning before player development, but don't be surprised if some players get preferential treatment over others. There's nothing worse than seeing a lad get 5 minutes game time most weeks because the coach wants to win. Much worse than losing for that lad.

My lads grass roots team had a main rival, from Salford. They played to win, cherry picked players from other clubs, who were all at pro club development centres, mainly City and united. Their dads wanted to win. They didn't rotate. They usually beat us, by about 8 once. None of their players are at academies any more, they all dropped down to lower academies, then released. Which coach did the better job? Do you think those lads remember beating us by 8 or getting released from accrington Stanley at 10yrs old?

Good post - and correct 👍

[Casino]

so 'change clubs' is bollocks?

 

Joking aside, most kids will fuck it off and not play beyond 16 so there is an argument you let the majority get on with the big lad scoring 10 every week.

Best lad I had played for bolton til 17

his godfather was the director of the academy

Just a coincidence, im sure

[RUREADY2ROLL]

2 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

How did he get on?

Just got back; they lost 6-0. All the team were awful after seeing them win two friendlies very comfortably.

[peelyfeet]

8 hours ago, Casino said:

so 'change clubs' is bollocks?

 

Joking aside, most kids will fuck it off and not play beyond 16 so there is an argument you let the majority get on with the big lad scoring 10 every week.

Best lad I had played for bolton til 17

his godfather was the director of the academy

Just a coincidence, im sure

One of the main strategies of the FA is to increase participation across the board.

This is driven in part by Sport England, who give multi millions of lottery funding to different sporting bodies based on what returns in the nations health and wellbeing they think they'll get.

So the FA want this funding and so make policies to retain players for as long as possible, increase or maintain participation in a world where kids have more distractions, get other groups playing more (women, disabled, old, minorities, poor) and improve excellence at the top level, as this inspires folk.

So they spend loads on research to see what people like most about playing footy, and it transpires that for the majority of young kids   it's not the winning. It's the taking part,  feeling like you're part of a team, scoring a goal, doing something with your mates, socialising, getting a sense of achievement from acquiring skills. They dont like pressure, getting shouted at from the side, feeling like they've let someone down.

Its this that made them change to small sided games, no league tables, etc.

 

[MickyD]

8 hours ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

Just got back; they lost 6-0. All the team were awful after seeing them win two friendlies very comfortably.

There’s deja vu right there! 🤣

[Horwich]

£50 a month at Chorley FC

[Dr Faustus]

On 16/09/2020 at 08:42, gonzo said:

Lad played on saturday. 

They were playing brilliantly. Unlucky to be 1-1 at half time.

Went 2-1 up with a great solo effort from a lad called jack. 

After he scored the manager rotated the team. 3 best attacking players ended up back 3. I watched in horror at my lad getting running round in circles as they conceded 7 in 20 mintues.

 

He's totally right mate. Bigger picture and all that. There is no competition until 12.

 

I held two keeper sessions last night, one with a couple of u7s, the rest mix of u10s to u12s. The little uns could kick as expected, the majority of the older ones were shit... Literally couldn't hit the changing rooms from 5 yards. 

This really puzzled me: my lad plays in goal, but would walk into any grass roots team as an outfielder. He's kept developing, and still trains working on ball control, striking etc. I asked the other kids how they train with their teams, and all but one is put in net for an hour.

They had no fundamental footballing skills, and been told to play in goal because of them, rather than them be developed: they were still 7 years old. 

It's totally short sighted to allocate or pigeon hole a kid at any age, let alone the foundation years. 

Peely is bob on: we need to keep kids in the game, and sport England has identified why, and hopefully how. We need more age restricted leagues, 17s, 19s, 22s, 23s with maybe cup competitions between them. As it stands, a very good 18 year old can get twatted by some 50 year old bitter at life

[Dr Faustus]

5 minutes ago, Horwich said:

£50 a month at Chorley FC

This is my realistic expectation for my lad. Good standard to support his wage doing which ever career he chooses

[Pablo]

12 hours ago, desperado said:

Good post - and correct 👍

 

Some of your ex players will be smahing it in th e JPL this season mate.👍

[desperado]

2 hours ago, Pablo said:

 

Some of your ex players will be smahing it in th e JPL this season mate.👍

Good to hear pal. Nice to see the majority have carried on, all at different levels now, but all still playing the game for enjoyment 👏

[true white]

16 hours ago, Dr Faustus said:

He's totally right mate. Bigger picture and all that. There is no competition until 12.

 

I held two keeper sessions last night, one with a couple of u7s, the rest mix of u10s to u12s. The little uns could kick as expected, the majority of the older ones were shit... Literally couldn't hit the changing rooms from 5 yards. 

This really puzzled me: my lad plays in goal, but would walk into any grass roots team as an outfielder. He's kept developing, and still trains working on ball control, striking etc. I asked the other kids how they train with their teams, and all but one is put in net for an hour.

They had no fundamental footballing skills, and been told to play in goal because of them, rather than them be developed: they were still 7 years old. 

It's totally short sighted to allocate or pigeon hole a kid at any age, let alone the foundation years. 

Peely is bob on: we need to keep kids in the game, and sport England has identified why, and hopefully how. We need more age restricted leagues, 17s, 19s, 22s, 23s with maybe cup competitions between them. As it stands, a very good 18 year old can get twatted by some 50 year old bitter at life

Keeping training is very poor with a lot of clubs. My daughter who is a keeper plays u15 but is 13. Last season at 12 years old she was expected to keep in full size men’s nets on full pitch. No training in doing this. In Her league are many academy teams, which For me should stick to playing there own standard. All the other parents were happy about the size of goal as there children have more chance to score. Totally sole destroying for the keepers though. Gone from being very comfortable in 9 aside goals to not being able to touch the cross bar. Having to judge a bow which seems twice as big. Like all parents, I just want her to enjoy her football. 

[gonzo]

On 16/09/2020 at 10:05, Horwich said:

Move clubs

Thanks for your input you dull cunt.

[Horwich]

👍

[peelyfeet]

22 hours ago, true white said:

Keeping training is very poor with a lot of clubs. My daughter who is a keeper plays u15 but is 13. Last season at 12 years old she was expected to keep in full size men’s nets on full pitch. No training in doing this. In Her league are many academy teams, which For me should stick to playing there own standard. All the other parents were happy about the size of goal as there children have more chance to score. Totally sole destroying for the keepers though. Gone from being very comfortable in 9 aside goals to not being able to touch the cross bar. Having to judge a bow which seems twice as big. Like all parents, I just want her to enjoy her football. 

That's a joke. At academies goalies often play down a year and so don't play in full size nets until they're 16

[only1stig]

U17s definitely interesting. Bad tempered first half, plenty of gobbing off, late challenges and 18 year old ref lost control. HT 0-0. First twenty mins of 2nd half, 3 pens, 5 goals, mass brawl, 3 red cards. 25 mins added on time to go. Too much testosterone!!

[MickyD]

1 hour ago, only1stig said:

U17s definitely interesting. Bad tempered first half, plenty of gobbing off, late challenges and 18 year old ref lost control. HT 0-0. First twenty mins of 2nd half, 3 pens, 5 goals, mass brawl, 3 red cards. 25 mins added on time to go. Too much testosterone!!

Doesn’t sound like the 18 year old ref lost control to me. It sounds as though the players, managers, coaches and parents did though.

Edited September 20, 2020 by MickyD
Chubby typing finger

[Horwich]

Watched Chorley U21s today. Good side going in the right direction.

[MickyD]

13 hours ago, Horwich said:

Watched Chorley U21s today. Good side going in the right direction.

Does U21 at a semi-pro club qualify as kid’s footy  or Jumpers for Goalposts?

Edited September 21, 2020 by MickyD

[Traf]

13 hours ago, MickyD said:

Does U21 at a semi-pro club qualify as kid’s footy  or Jumpers for Goalposts?

both, mate