Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I don’t believe that they don’t want to, I just think they are at a physical disadvantage for certain sports, football being one I don't know on what basis Asian people would be at a physical disadvantage in football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I don't know on what basis Asian people would be at a physical disadvantage in football? Every time they get a corner they build a ........ sorry wrong in my wrong account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, royal white said: Probably thousands want to, I wanted to but wasn’t good enough. There are a lot good enough to play cricket but no one complains about that. I know. But statistically at least some must be good enough, yet I don't think there are any. And there almost never seem to be either. It suggests something's amiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Ani said: Ok. So you are saying having a target is ok as long as it is the right target ? We discussed this previously and I agreed you made some fair points. So to be clear I am not in favour of walking into every Board room in the country tomorrow and demanding every 6 th seat goes to someone passed purely on their race. I am not sure I agree with your time scales but think we are saying the same thing that we need to work to eradicate the various barriers that are stopping equal representation so everyone gets a fair opportunity. Not sure we would agree on how and how quickly we get there but the principle is clear. No I don’t think targets are ok, as that will set you up for positive discrimination, I am personally against all discrimination. I honestly believe that excluding people from employment opportunities based on race is a very minor issue which you would only really find in small tin pot organisations If BAME representation is currently 5% of sporting boards and 7% of FTSE 100 companies then we don’t have an issue for me, that’s representative of our community in the 1990’s when board members would have been starting out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I know. But statistically at least some must be good enough, yet I don't think there are any. And there almost never seem to be either. It suggests something's amiss. Based more on the fact that you have over 1bn Indian’s in India and I’ve never known one make it as a pro footballer at a decent level Assume it’s physical, too small etc Edited September 8, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Based more on the fact that you have over 1bn Indian’s in India and I’ve never known one make it as a pro footballer at a decent level Assume it’s physical, too small etc They do have a professional football league in India. But I'm referring to Asian people in England. There's a huge interest in football among that demographic, yet practically no representation among professional footballers. It just seems strange to me, even taking into account culture and the influence of other sports, cricket and hockey being the main examples, that the number of professional footballers of South Asian heritage is in a practical sense zero all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 8, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 8, 2020 I knew two indian lads at uni who were massive and nothing got past them at uni level 5 and 11 a side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: They do have a professional football league in India. But I'm referring to Asian people in England. There's a huge interest in football among that demographic, yet practically no representation among professional footballers. It just seems strange to me, even taking into account culture and the influence of other sports, cricket and hockey being the main examples, that the number of professional footballers of South Asian heritage is in a practical sense zero all the time. Imagine the publicity, financial gain if a club signed an Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi player, it would be massive. There’s no way clubs would pass on that opportunity. It’s obvious that at this time there’s been none good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 8, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 8, 2020 does Choudhury at Leicester not count? granted he was born in Loughbrough, but his Wiki says: Choudhury is of Bangladeshi-Grenadian ancestry. He was raised in a traditional Bengali Muslim family, and visited Bangladesh as a child.His mother and step-father are Bengali from the Dewan Bari in Snanghat Union, Bahubal, Habiganj District in Bangladesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, royal white said: Imagine the publicity, financial gain if a club signed an Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi player, it would be massive. There’s no way clubs would pass on that opportunity. It’s obvious that at this time there’s been none good enough. How many are in Academies, non-league football, etc ? I suspect if there is a problem with racism, prejudice and the like, it would start much lower and progress up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 8, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Looking for absolute parity or even statistically proportionate representation is the wrong approach, but when threre are stastical anomalies with no obviouse explanation it's worthy of investigation. One of the obvious ones for me is why is there such a lack of professional footballers from a South Asian ethnic background in this country? Culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 42 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Culture. It can't just be that. There's too much interest in the sport within the demographic for it to be purely cultural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 48 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It can't just be that. There's too much interest in the sport within the demographic for it to be purely cultural. I’ve seen them play in 5 a side leagues but I’ve never seen many of them playinb 11 a side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanGreavsie Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 hours ago, royal white said: Imagine the publicity, financial gain if a club signed an Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi player, it would be massive. There’s no way clubs would pass on that opportunity. It’s obvious that at this time there’s been none good enough. That's also a fair point in terms of managers as well. But maybe an issue there is it's perception by black lads who've had a good career across a number of divisions and are well respected in the general football world, even if most of their playing was the lower three divisions. And maybe that perception is not that they'd be shunned but almost the opposite - they'd be lauded in a way that puts extra pressure on? If say Bolton, Hull and Sunderland all appointed black lads as managers within a few weeks of each other, there'd be all sorts of well meaning articles about how they could be role models for a new generation of manager. But that must put extra pressure on to what is a difficult and lonely job at a club you have no connection to (geographically, even, e.g. if your family is at the other end of the country) at the best of times? Do people think they just don't need that extra pressure? In terms of kneeling, well it's surely important not to dilute the message by familiarity breeding contempt? if it's every game then the "it's no big deal" argument works both ways, surely? Nobody will notice and there won't be a bigger audience tuning in to most matches at our level to see it anyhow. Like a minutes silence - I've been at many an atmospheric one over the years at Bolton games home and away, and they work precisely because they draw the attention due to novelty. So they make people think e.g. at the Remembrance Day ones. On a biggest stage then it can make a regular point - if the Russian teams and their opponents do it for every game in a World Cup final tournament then it might make some of the boneheads back home in the rougher parts of Moscow think. But preaching to the very largely converted at every League 2 game just dilutes the message. Done every so often, in response to specific events or just to keep people thinking every so often, then as with minutes silence it gains a power and effectiveness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 8, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It can't just be that. There's too much interest in the sport within the demographic for it to be purely cultural. Cricket, hockey etc yes. Football not that big. May change in time, but needs a few to break the mould. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Never watched a game of Lacrosse in my life. Positive piece of news though. https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-lacrosse-team-world-games-native-american?fbclid=IwAR1O1n18kBSSXUqfnHj6dg3WM903srgj5v28lhtmBC4ihI7fmty_ApUt458 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, London Wanderer said: Never watched a game of Lacrosse in my life. Positive piece of news though. https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-lacrosse-team-world-games-native-american?fbclid=IwAR1O1n18kBSSXUqfnHj6dg3WM903srgj5v28lhtmBC4ihI7fmty_ApUt458 I am mates with the manager of the British lacrosse team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/54114028 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Ani said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/54114028 The same will happen over here if players continue to take the knee. I see the premier league have withdrawn the BLM print on the club shirts. Also the international cricket teams seem to have got bored of taking the knee as they’ve stopped doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Taking the knee can fuck right off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, gonzo said: Taking the knee can fuck right off. Correct Far too much now, getting to the point where it will be counter productive Preach to the converted, push many in the middle group who were originally sympathetic the other way and piss off the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Don’t bring the knee up lads some will have a bitch fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Don’t bring the knee up lads some will have a bitch fit They already are above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 08/09/2020 at 22:07, Ani said: I am mates with the manager of the British lacrosse team. Big lacrosse area around here. Know a fair few lads that have played for the national side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: I would guess you don't read a lot of Louder, Kerrang or Metal Hammer. Anyway, Entrails Ripped From A Virgin's Cunt is a classic. If you've ever watch Ace Ventura they also perform Hammer Smashed Face in it. I Cum Blood or Fucked with a Knife also deserve a listen. They are not fit to lick Death's shoes though. They are brilliant. I've just watched an interview. How disappointing! It's like listening to a geography teacher explain how oxbow lakes are formed! 😧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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