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3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Well yeah. But 2 of those were friendlies, and 1 was against a team in the League above us. Relax. It'll all fall into place.

Maybe but we have still lost 5 on the bounce now , in earlier games when we won a few we were all happy about fostering a winning mentality i saw no sign of that mentality today , anyways another long season ahead .

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You also said yesterday he should change to 4-4-2. He’s come in with a plan and to try and change the mentality. Whether we have the players and whether it comes good we will see. But after one half o

It is a football forum; if folk want to offer their tactical opinions, that's what its for. Just a socially distanced way of getting a defeat off your chest over a few ales with mates. Simpl

As a one off performance I can’t disagree with any of the negative comments being made; Players not living up to their billings, looking tactically naive, no defensive gelling what-so-ever, combinatio

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3 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

Hopefully , it can only get better....... can't it?

Yes, and it will. We'll all be ballooning again in a couple of months after we've won a few on the bounce. Then we'll lose a game, and it will be the end of the world again. That's football.

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Just now, burnden said:

Maybe but we have still lost 5 on the bounce now , in earlier games when we won a few we were all happy about fostering a winning mentality i saw no sign of that mentality today , anyways another long season ahead .

A "winning mentality" isn't saying "we're shite and we've got no chance" after losing ONE League game.

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Just now, Cheese said:

Yes, and it will. We'll all be ballooning again in a couple of months after we've won a few on the bounce. Then we'll lose a game, and it will be the end of the world again. That's football.

Anyway , I think a few pints and look at things in the cold light of day tomorrow.

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As a one off performance I can’t disagree with any of the negative comments being made; Players not living up to their billings, looking tactically naive, no defensive gelling what-so-ever, combinations of players  in defence/midfield/attack not seeming to connect together.

The early confident start soon turned into 70-80 minutes of a side lacking the know-how and experience of getting a stronghold back into the game, there was only the odd glimpse.

But it’s these odd glimpses that I’m going to hold onto as positives. Those are comments and observations of ONE LEAGUE GAME. (Yes you could count the cup games, but  for me they were just an extension of pre-season for a side that are so fresh in coming together for the first time)  

All the above, to me, are understandable to a side that haven’t played together. Let’s not forget that these players haven’t played competitive football together. You can’t replicate a competitive league game in training and it’s only more games that are going to allow IE to address the major concerns; right personnel on the field, playing the possession game effectively, gelling the players together particularly at the back.

Yes criticise today, but don’t right-off the manager, players and system and make irreversible and definitive judgements after one game. 

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3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think it's the performances, rather than the results, which are the main concern.

I agree, but we basically started from scratch 3 months ago. A bit of patience is required. We lost 1-0 not 7-0. 

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8 minutes ago, desperado said:

As a one off performance I can’t disagree with any of the negative comments being made; Players not living up to their billings, looking tactically naive, no defensive gelling what-so-ever, combinations of players  in defence/midfield/attack not seeming to connect together.

The early confident start soon turned into 70-80 minutes of a side lacking the know-how and experience of getting a stronghold back into the game, there was only the odd glimpse.

But it’s these odd glimpses that I’m going to hold onto as positives. Those are comments and observations of ONE LEAGUE GAME. (Yes you could count the cup games, but  for me they were just an extension of pre-season for a side that are so fresh in coming together for the first time)  

All the above, to me, are understandable to a side that haven’t played together. Let’s not forget that these players haven’t played competitive football together. You can’t replicate a competitive league game in training and it’s only more games that are going to allow IE to address the major concerns; right personnel on the field, playing the possession game effectively, gelling the players together particularly at the back.

Yes criticise today, but don’t right-off the manager, players and system and make irreversible and definitive judgements after one game. 

Spot on. I think the last few years of dire shite has made a lot of us resort to pessimism at the first sign of any negativity. That's no good for anyone, especially when we've been given a fresh start, with a new manager who's trying to bring a sense of positivity to the club.

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35 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Glad it's not just me who thinks this. Been anonymous in every game bar his goal.

Had our only shot on target if we're being positive (1st half, keeper a bit lucky to save it), and same as Doyle its clear he's got a scoring track record.  Did virtually nothing else, looked laboured compared to their midfield and then our 2 subs. But there's zero chance of him being dropped, captain and main man. 

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24 minutes ago, desperado said:

As a one off performance I can’t disagree with any of the negative comments being made; Players not living up to their billings, looking tactically naive, no defensive gelling what-so-ever, combinations of players  in defence/midfield/attack not seeming to connect together.

The early confident start soon turned into 70-80 minutes of a side lacking the know-how and experience of getting a stronghold back into the game, there was only the odd glimpse.

But it’s these odd glimpses that I’m going to hold onto as positives. Those are comments and observations of ONE LEAGUE GAME. (Yes you could count the cup games, but  for me they were just an extension of pre-season for a side that are so fresh in coming together for the first time)  

All the above, to me, are understandable to a side that haven’t played together. Let’s not forget that these players haven’t played competitive football together. You can’t replicate a competitive league game in training and it’s only more games that are going to allow IE to address the major concerns; right personnel on the field, playing the possession game effectively, gelling the players together particularly at the back.

Yes criticise today, but don’t right-off the manager, players and system and make irreversible and definitive judgements after one game. 

Yes there will be over reactions after our 3 convincing home defeats, but its difficult to see the evidence of 3 games and not jump to conclusions.  If you had a player on trial and he played 3 games and was poor in all 3, you wouldn't have any hesitation in turning him down.  Can anyone seriously say Santos and Comley are good enough?  Or either of our so called wing backs? (I feel for them being asked to do a job they cant do, let them just stick to being full backs).  Those things arent going to go away, they are here to stay and they arent upto it, either in style of play or execution.  Its not about whether these players improve - they wont - its whether IE has the balls to admit his errors.

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47 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Thing is, I don’t think anyone thought it would be the finished article, and I’m sure it will improve, but fuck me there wasn’t one thing in there that showed what we are heading towards.

I hate 5 at the back, it only works if you have very good wingbacks and from what I’ve seen of the 2 that played today we haven’t!

A back 4 with Hickman at right back, 2 in midfield (White and Comley/Tutte) with 3 (Crawford, Sarcevic and Darcy/Delfounso) behind Doyle seems a far better set up to me.

Granted I’m pissed off after watching that shite so it’s probably a bit knee jerk to write his system off already.

Yeah, I don't understand all this fancy football formations, even a bog standard 442 formation should be fine for us in League 2, especially with Delfounso and Doyle up top. Burnley have done just fine playing the same system in the Premiership for a few years now.

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6 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Yes there will be over reactions after our 3 convincing home defeats, but its difficult to see the evidence of 3 games and not jump to conclusions.  If you had a player on trial and he played 3 games and was poor in all 3, you wouldn't have any hesitation in turning him down.  Can anyone seriously say Santos and Comley are good enough?  Or either of our so called wing backs? (I feel for them being asked to do a job they cant do, let them just stick to being full backs).  Those things arent going to go away, they are here to stay and they arent upto it, either in style of play or execution.  Its not about whether these players improve - they wont - its whether IE has the balls to admit his errors.

It’s those comments for me that are are completely reactionary after ONE GAME

A job they can’t do - They aren’t up to it- They won’t improve 

Absolute lunacy to be making those definitive judgements after one league game.

Yes today wasn’t good - doesn’t mean it will be like that for the rest of the season 

 

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46 minutes ago, desperado said:

As a one off performance I can’t disagree with any of the negative comments being made; Players not living up to their billings, looking tactically naive, no defensive gelling what-so-ever, combinations of players  in defence/midfield/attack not seeming to connect together.

The early confident start soon turned into 70-80 minutes of a side lacking the know-how and experience of getting a stronghold back into the game, there was only the odd glimpse.

But it’s these odd glimpses that I’m going to hold onto as positives. Those are comments and observations of ONE LEAGUE GAME. (Yes you could count the cup games, but  for me they were just an extension of pre-season for a side that are so fresh in coming together for the first time)  

All the above, to me, are understandable to a side that haven’t played together. Let’s not forget that these players haven’t played competitive football together. You can’t replicate a competitive league game in training and it’s only more games that are going to allow IE to address the major concerns; right personnel on the field, playing the possession game effectively, gelling the players together particularly at the back.

Yes criticise today, but don’t right-off the manager, players and system and make irreversible and definitive judgements after one game. 

Spot on

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Disappointingly, Sarcevic looks well off it. I don't know if it's the role he's playing or the occasion is too big for him but he hasn't settled yet. 

I don't want to abandon the 3-5-2 yet, I think it can work, we're just trying to run before we can walk with it. 

Next week I'd like to see - 

Crellin

Brockbank, Delaney, Taft

Hickman, Tutte, White, Gordon

Crawford

Delfouneso, Doyle

Midfield has a bit more movement and energy to it, should show for the ball quicker and earlier and be able to support in more areas of the pitch. Gordon needs to be given more confidence, he's quick, strong and direct. He'd cause teams lots of problems if he just drove at them.

Jones isn't bad, just steady, need more attacking intent and by all accounts Hickman offers that. 

Crawford is key though, if he's not there we simply don't create anything and Doyle gets starved. 

 

 

I also wouldn't mind Zouma back after seeing some of the defending on display, he's miles better than Santos. Also, does anyone have a number Greenidge's agent? Reckon he could get me a gig at Championship level based on the absolute swindling he's done to get Greenidge a job here. 

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52 minutes ago, Cheese said:

A "winning mentality" isn't saying "we're shite and we've got no chance" after losing ONE League game.

evatt  saying in is interview about getting rid of the clubs loosing mentality. Well changing the manager the  owners the whole coaching staff the whole playing staff and playing without  the fans 
May be a exorcism will work  we’re running out of options 

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Parked up at Redditch United going to watch my grandson play for the under 19’s. Still numb after that awful performance and having seen them against Bradford and today I can’t see us doing anything apart from fighting to stay up with this squad. Just hope I am wrong but at least I will see some good football tonight

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