Underpants Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, Sweep said: I don't think there would be a shortage of people wanting to watch it At first, maybe not. Give it a couple of of years and let's see how much interest there is in another Dortmund/Barcelona fixture. The UCL is getting a bit like that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted October 12, 2020 Members Share Posted October 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, gonzo said: Racist. #Tanlivesmatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Simon Jordan is right, the government want the gates shut they need to put their hands in their pockets HMRC brings in enough revenue in 2 weeks from football to sort out the EFL for the season Or just let crowds in with limited capacity like they are doing all over the World Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 48 minutes ago, Rudy said: #Tanlivesmatter #cuprinol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: Simon Jordan is right, the government want the gates shut they need to put their hands in their pockets HMRC brings in enough revenue in 2 weeks from football to sort out the EFL for the season Or just let crowds in with limited capacity like they are doing all over the World Why should the taxpayer subsidise football when there is more than enough money in the game to do it itself? The PL earns more than the next four biggest European leagues combined. Oliver Dowden interviewed this morning isn’t fooled. He maintains its for football to sort itself and he’s right and he did add that if they didn’t it was maybe time for government and the FA to consider changing the rules on football governance completely. Well done to him I say and it’s high time these greedy, selfish, largely foreign tossers and that’s players and owners, were prevented from destroying football in this country any more than they already have. The PL was always a disaster waiting to happen so let’s hope it’s nadir is close and if the big 6, 8 or whatever want to F off to Europe, good luck but don’t think you’re coming back after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, birch-chorley said: HMRC brings in enough revenue in 2 weeks from football to sort out the EFL for the season In 2017, HMRC collected £3.3bn from Premier league clubs & players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Whitesince63 said: Why should the taxpayer subsidise football when there is more than enough money in the game to do it itself? The PL earns more than the next four biggest European leagues combined. Oliver Dowden interviewed this morning isn’t fooled. He maintains its for football to sort itself and he’s right and he did add that if they didn’t it was maybe time for government and the FA to consider changing the rules on football governance completely. Well done to him I say and it’s high time these greedy, selfish, largely foreign tossers and that’s players and owners, were prevented from destroying football in this country any more than they already have. The PL was always a disaster waiting to happen so let’s hope it’s nadir is close and if the big 6, 8 or whatever want to F off to Europe, good luck but don’t think you’re coming back after. The government should subsidies any business they are forcing to close, the alternative is allowing them to trade IMO I don’t see why the PL should fund the EFL any more than Adele (worth £200m) and other rich song artist should fund club singers up and down the country who aren’t allowed to earn money Football could look after itself quite easily if the HMRC differed a couple of weeks PAYE / NI / VAT that it takes in from the clubs and TV packages Also, not sure what you have against ‘foreigners’, a bit bizarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 What exactly is the root and branch reform that Utd, Liverpool and Parry are suggesting for the EFL? Reduce the league by 2, limit promotion to the Prem, do away with a cup competition? It looks like a "Here's a few million for you all to go away. We're off to make our exclusive club even more exclusive. See ya" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Duck Egg said: What exactly is the root and branch reform that Utd, Liverpool and Parry are suggesting for the EFL? Reduce the league by 2, limit promotion to the Prem, do away with a cup competition? It looks like a "Here's a few million for you all to go away. We're off to make our exclusive club even more exclusive. See ya" Not seen the full proposal but apparently the EFL will get 25% of PL Profits (although some papers quoted this as Revenue which would be ridiculously huge) However, the amount of ‘profit’ the PL makes would now be at the discretion of the ‘Big 6’ A bad year for TV deals and who’s to say that a bigger % of the TV money is given to the PL clubs leaving less ‘profit’ to go to the EFL Its a short term deal and it stinks that Parry supports it for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted October 13, 2020 Members Share Posted October 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Not seen the full proposal but apparently the EFL will get 25% of PL Profits (although some papers quoted this as Revenue which would be ridiculously huge) However, the amount of ‘profit’ the PL makes would now be at the discretion of the ‘Big 6’ A bad year for TV deals and who’s to say that a bigger % of the TV money is given to the PL clubs leaving less ‘profit’ to go to the EFL Its a short term deal and it stinks that Parry supports it for me 25% of revenue? Crikey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 It's 25% of the profit from the TV deal. 20 clubs currently get 5% each, if they're cutting 2 clubs, there's 10% saved already, so effectively PL clubs would end up with 4.17% and 25% goes to EFL. Current deal is around £150m per club, so each PL club in the new 18-team league would be approx £25m worse off, assuming all of the current deal is classed as profit, which is highly unlikely. Firstly £25m buys you a shit left back nowadays, so the clubs can manage without it. The big issue is the redistribution of that money by the EFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted October 13, 2020 Members Share Posted October 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Traf said: It's 25% of the profit from the TV deal. 20 clubs currently get 5% each, if they're cutting 2 clubs, there's 10% saved already, so effectively PL clubs would end up with 4.17% and 25% goes to EFL. Current deal is around £150m per club, so each PL club in the new 18-team league would be approx £25m worse off, assuming all of the current deal is classed as profit, which is highly unlikely. Firstly £25m buys you a shit left back nowadays, so the clubs can manage without it. The big issue is the redistribution of that money by the EFL. So then TV money needs to be distributed more evenly. Let’s says there’s is a big pot. If you finish top of the Prem you get the biggest share, bottom of the FL gets the lowest share Is the problem not then with PL being a separate entity to the FL? That gap needs to be closed but this is a case of pull the ladder up jack and sod the rest. Whilst were in a pandemic IMO The government make a lot of money off Football so what they’ve made should be reinvested back into clubs who don’t have much revenue coming in. If the PL clubs have to contribute then they should get that back or pay a lower tax for a certain amount of years Or Bozza should open the he bastard stadiums and we’ll crack on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Tell the big 6 to F*** Off to Europe then, they also can't rejoin any league in England, oh and that because of covid, good luck in fulfilling any fixtures they arrange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) For me, im not sure why the prem or the top 6 even want anything in return ffs. They didnt invent football, its just sick. Rich foreign owners, and greed. £20 mill each club should just be taken off them every year, it should go all the way down to grass roots. Edited October 13, 2020 by Pablo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderson93 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Sounds like we've tentatively backed the proposal. Feels like we're all being held to ransom here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, meanderson93 said: Sounds like we've tentatively backed the proposal. Feels like we're all being held to ransom here. I'm hoping it's more a case of us being agreeable to the start of a proper conversation around the future of the game, not an endorsement of this specific plan. Hoping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 First 45 mins of this is essential listening on this subject, consistently excellent podcast this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 13, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2020 13 hours ago, Underpants said: At first, maybe not. Give it a couple of of years and let's see how much interest there is in another Dortmund/Barcelona fixture. The UCL is getting a bit like that now. Indeed. Can't see too many fans of other top clubs not in a European league being overly arsed at all. In particular, of tv coverage is still widely available of top flight English football. If they're all in the same league then maybe because results have a bearing on your own team and because of rivalries. If they've gone, the rivalries start to disappear and they become less relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Traf said: It's 25% of the profit from the TV deal. 20 clubs currently get 5% each, if they're cutting 2 clubs, there's 10% saved already, so effectively PL clubs would end up with 4.17% and 25% goes to EFL. Current deal is around £150m per club, so each PL club in the new 18-team league would be approx £25m worse off, assuming all of the current deal is classed as profit, which is highly unlikely. can you explain all that again, in the context of Twixes please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Sweep said: can you explain all that again, in the context of Twixes please? Of course. Currently 20 clubs get 30 Twixes each from a pot of 600 Twixes They're suggesting throwing 150 Twixes to the paupers at the EFL in the same way you'd throw the crust off a sandwich at a duck. This leaves 450 Twixes, but they're going to fuck 2 clubs off and spilt the 450 between 18, so they all get 25 each. End result is a loss of 5 Twix per club in the new 18-team league, which is roughly the price of a shit left back or an unproven English teenager. Basic Twixonomics, mate. Edited October 13, 2020 by Traf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted October 13, 2020 Members Share Posted October 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, Traf said: Of course. Currently 20 clubs get 30 Twixes each from a pot of 600 Twixes They're suggesting throwing 150 Twixes to the paupers at the EFL in the same way you'd throw the crust off a sandwich at a duck. This leaves 450 Twixes, but they're going to fuck 2 clubs off and spilt the 450 between 18, so they all get 25 each. End result is a loss of 5 Twix per club in the new 18-team league, which is roughly the price of a shit left back or an unproven English teenager. Basic Twixonomics, mate. Don’t see Rishi doing that, SUNAK OUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOWTUN BAKED Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Did I read that they were getting rid of parachute payments as part of this deal? If so, aren't they better off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) The issue is this in my mind - It's the TV deals that generate the most income - $11 billion between 2019 - 2022 for the Prem. Take the Top 6 out of the equation and the TV income will drop like a stone. Everton V Leicester would be your biggest match of the season. The London Derby would be Crystal Palace V West Ham. If the Champions league grows and becomes more attractive to the foreign TV companies than the Prem, all the clubs in the English Pyramid get poorer, apart from those in Europe, and the gap between Top 6 and the rest grows anyway. I think the big picture is shit for mid table Prem teams, but better for everyone else, when compared to the alternative of reducing TV deal money - the Top 6 can't lose either way Liverpool got paid £4m for playing 2 games in the world club championship - you get £100k if you win the League cup. Edited October 13, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, BOWTUN BAKED said: Did I read that they were getting rid of parachute payments as part of this deal? If so, aren't they better off? Yep, but they're not publicising that bit as a financial benefit to themselves, it's being sold as preventing relegated clubs having an unfair advantage on other EFL clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 FV appear to be backing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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