Crawley Town (H)

[Zico]

15 minutes ago, Underpants said:

In our life time?

Are you classed as vulnerable?

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, blackleywhite said:

Kioso and Jones played against Port Vale.

Aye and Port Vale totally exploited the gaps behind him.

I would rather Jones is at right back and Kioso in front of him.

 

[masi 51]

3 minutes ago, desperado said:

Crawford - Not the player he was 

Politic - Injured before start of season, potential yes, definite core player, possibly 

Delaney - Others ahead of him at moment 

Darcy - occasional flashes never consistently held down his place, this year or last

Riley - too inexperienced 

Thomason- hadn’t played a game till this season 

Doyle Sarcevic - never played at the club before 

Crellin worse keeper in Boltons History

Gordon -soon found out shipped out to non league

Mascoll  not good enough

Taft     done ok when played....Mystery somethings gone on

Greenidge   should of stuck to cricket

Santos  dont know which one turns up

Hickman       Still young enough to go to College and get a trade

Baptiste  was average 10 years back

Jones lower league right back too slow to play rwb

Comley give too many free kicks away on the edge of the box....Booking waiting to happen

White    poor mans phil Neville

Tutte  Excellent

Kioso Good attacking player but again not a wing back

MILLER  injury prone glimpses of a player

Arthur  Signed on because he lives near the ground

Fonz  good on his day, just not enough of them

Isgrove    had high hopes took him 6 months to get fit and the jury is out

[Spider]

Evatt was brought in and to be dead fair to him, told everyone what his style was.

I get that he feels he must stick to his guns to a degree, because he’s a single minded chap.

I don’t blame him on a personal level at all, he said he’d do it his way and he has.

Unfortunately, that wasn’t what a club as broken and desperate as ours needed. We needed a tried and trusted guy who knew the division. Adaptable, experienced.

Evatt was for another day, a better time maybe.

I don’t dislike the bloke, I think he’ll do well eventually, but we just aren’t ready.

Timing is all wrong for BWFC and Ian Evatt 

[Horwich]

Judge him when his contract is up. 🙄

[Krimzon]

1 hour ago, hughmungus said:

Yes but I am right about Evatt, and can I ask who typed that post for you ?

isnt it obvious ????

[desperado]

3 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Crellin worse keeper in Boltons History

Gordon -soon found out shipped out to non league

Mascoll  not good enough

Taft     done ok when played....Mystery somethings gone on

Greenidge   should of stuck to cricket

Santos  dont know which one turns up

Hickman       Still young enough to go to College and get a trade

Baptiste  was average 10 years back

Jones lower league right back too slow to play rwb

Comley give too many free kicks away on the edge of the box....Booking waiting to happen

White    poor mans phil Neville

Tutte  Excellent

Kioso Good attacking player but again not a wing back

MILLER  injury prone glimpses of a player

Arthur  Signed on because he lives near the ground

Fonz  good on his day, just not enough of them

Isgrove    had high hopes took him 6 months to get fit and the jury is out

Well you’ve gone off point, but I’ll play along. We were talking about having the basis of a good team when he walked through the door he didn’t.

A good team first of all needs to grow together, all these players were strangers.

Did we have this spine when he walked in.

A keeper No (Matthews was never staying) 

A strong defensive spine No

An experienced midfielder No

A consistent goal scorer No

The list could go on, we basically didn’t have anybody! 

Have we got this at the moment/moving forward 

Keeper No but reinforcements could address this

Defensive Spine, with Santos and few others stepping up possibly 

Midfield - I’d say yes with Tutte. Thomason potentially, need more from Sarce, looking forward to seeing Lee

CF - Yes Doyle 

Theres more needed and IE Knows this, in particular WB/FB and support for Doyle, but we are certainly in a better place than when he walked through the door 

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

Evatt was brought in and to be dead fair to him, told everyone what his style was.

I get that he feels he must stick to his guns to a degree, because he’s a single minded chap.

I don’t blame him on a personal level at all, he said he’d do it his way and he has.

Unfortunately, that wasn’t what a club as broken and desperate as ours needed. We needed a tried and trusted guy who knew the division. Adaptable, experienced.

Evatt was for another day, a better time maybe.

I don’t dislike the bloke, I think he’ll do well eventually, but we just aren’t ready.

Timing is all wrong for BWFC and Ian Evatt 

Crock

Of

Shit

Different team in 3 weeks

Keep the fucking faith

Just look at those wanting him out

 

[Blondi]

19 minutes ago, SalCity Biggie said:

If I were IE, I'd have a look at last seasons Swindon team where isgrove was an assist machine for the phenomenal goal scoring machine in Doyle that we have and copy it. Amend a little so it looks like my own formation and just get the Best out of them.

 

Oh and sarc too at plymouth

Don't think Isgrove's assists were anything special at Swindon.

The duo were crowned champions in English football's fourth tier last season with Swindon Town.

 

On the way, Doyle plundered 25 goals on the way to being crowned League Two's top scorer, while Isgrove notched five assists in the campaign.

[Krimzon]

39 minutes ago, desperado said:

I couldn’t disagree with you more here.  I think it’s been confirmed before that there was only Crawford, Politic and Delaney here when he came. Doyle and Sarcevic arrived shortly after.

Regardless of timings, there’s only a few of these players who have been in any first team regularly.

And while a few of these might be good players, for them to be considered a team is nonsense. A team needs to evolve, grow, bond, be together, perform together. None have them had ever done this.

Totally !  +1

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

Too many players have their weaknesses rather than their strengths highlighted in this system, it breeds uncertainty & disrupts any rhythm. Even when we were bombarding them late on it all seemed off the cuff rather than structured. 

   I don't know who the commentator was who mentioned Doyle staying within the lines of the 18 yard box was but he's right, it's needs a 5 man midfield & a back 4 to give us balance & I reckon we would go close to the play offs at least. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Krimzon]

34 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Crawford,Politic,Delaney, Darcy Riley, Thommason were here Doyle Sarcevic in talks with the club......Mathews was practically asking for a contract

 

Gordon, Taft,Greenidge,Crellin,White,Comley, isgrove ,Arthur Mascoll,Hickman

Jesus christ we had better last season

you could not be more wrong ....you could try , but you would not be successful .

[jules_darby]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

Crock

Of

Shit

Different team in 3 weeks

Keep the fucking faith

Just look at those wanting him out

 

Different team is fine but do you believe IE needs to improve and get more out of the players he does bring in or do you think it’s solely player quality that’s the current issue?

[masi 51]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

Crock

Of

Shit

Different team in 3 weeks

Keep the fucking faith

Just look at those wanting him out

 

Dont want him out, those players could have been signed by phoenix

 

Just want him to change the system until he got players who are comfortable playing wingbacks

 

We took Baptiste off at Carlisle at 3-1 and went 442

We again changed formation the last 30 today

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, jules_darby said:

Different team is fine but do you believe IE needs to improve and get more out of the players he does bring in or do you think it’s solely player quality that’s the current issue?

I think it's player quality that's the issue. 

[Underpants]

9 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Are you classed as vulnerable?

I would normally keep my disgust at our results to myself. But lazy wankers of council employees have not emptied the bins for most of our street today, and they are full to the brim. That, coupled with the result, has tipped me over the edge.

 

So yes, today I am vulnerable.

[Guest]

But didn’t IE bring these poor players in? 

[masi 51]

1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

But didn’t IE bring these poor players in? 

Thats it with a DOF you dont really know.......will see in the next month what type of player Evatt can attract

[jules_darby]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think it's player quality that's the issue. 

I’d accept that if I thought he was eeking the most our of what we have now (as limited as some are)

I don’t know what’s so unreasonable as believing that player quality and Manager’s craft both need to improve us enough to challenge 

[ianofcleveleys]

I've no big issue with a young manager having an ideal about how he wants the game played, and at times, in flashes, I've liked some of it. We've scored two or three goals this season that have been superbly put together and finished. 

But, one of my bugbears with the current vogue of managers arriving at levels right down to National League with an unshakable belief in a style or philosophy, whether it be Bielsa, Pep or some hybrid of one or more of them, is them trying to embed it with seasoned lower level operators who aren't capable of it and beyond being coached it. Some of the goals conceded by teams in L1 and 2 trying to play around like City have been laughable. 

My other bugbear is them not being prepared to admit it's not working and try something different to win football matches in whatever Division they are in. Top managers are prepared to be a bit more horses for courses, within games and game by game, depending on what they're up against. Evatt went at it from the off so wedded to one way of playing his options to flex and adapt are seriously limited. He's hinted that he can see where some adaptation needs to be made (e.g physical front man to support Doyle), hence me being prepared to give him a bit of time to show he can learn and adapt as a manager. It might be too late for a play off charge this season though. 

For what it's worth, he needs to admit that being harder to get crosses in against, run through the middle at and generally score through, and go with a 4 at back, with two holding players that would be harder to get through and give a platform for the likes of Sarcevic, Thomason, to do what they do best with less responsibility and get closer to Doyle in the right areas, so he doesn't have to keep on coming too deep to try and make things happen. The only time that should be happening is if we have players with real pace and energy to regularly get beyond him into scoring positions.

I hope he gets it right as I want him to do well and am not looking to chop and change again unless things get really uncomfortable near the bottom

 

[Take Hunt Off]

The absence of real wingbacks negates the system that Evatt tries to play eg today’s team.We are all hoping he signs the right players that will be comfortable with his system because he won’t change it which shows both stubbornness & lack of experience. I don’t want him sacked but we as a club are on thin ice .He has to get it right & get some points on the board.Pragmatism comes through experience, trouble is we don’t want to be his learning curve & finish up in the relegation zone.
His team selection was ok given the limitations , but I can’t help feeling that Jones as left wingback is just plain wasteful , he provided little cover for Greenidge (who passing was excellent & a cut above Delaney’s) unfortunately for him Thomason set him up on his left foot.The bench selection was again limited but probably down to who is ready to be shipped out.

Tutte struggled manfully in centre-mid & Thomason was hit & miss , he should have scored but still finished the game in credit.
Sarevic & Delfonso were largely ineffective.Think both of them on the pitch seem a luxury we can’t afford.Doyle with a lump up front or on his own with Sarevic just behind might be worth a try.The guy from Sheffield Wed with Tutte along side him might be the answer in midfield , hopefully.

Brookbank was plain average , but then again he was in for the hapless Baptiste.

Crawley knocked the ball about well , but boy do we lack a dirty bastard in midfield or anywhere for that matter.

[Krimzon]

How Evatt didnt recruit :
Lofty , Puskas , Di stefano , Maxim Tsigalko , To Madiera , The Ghost of David Jack , Freddy Adu and the cousin of George Weah is just beyond me .

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

When you are winning week in week out you can stick to your way of playing & let others worry about you. When you are bottom half of a shit league you need to accept that there is a need to look for a way to get more out of the players at your disposal. 

  I like Evatt but he is as guilty as fuck of putting his ego before the best interests of the team

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

I've no big issue with a young manager having an ideal about how he wants the game played, and at times, in flashes, I've liked some of it. We've scored two or three goals this season that have been superbly put together and finished. 

But, one of my bugbears with the current vogue of managers arriving at levels right down to National League with an unshakable belief in a style or philosophy, whether it be Bielsa, Pep or some hybrid of one or more of them, is them trying to embed it with seasoned lower level operators who aren't capable of it and beyond being coached it. Some of the goals conceded by teams in L1 and 2 trying to play around like City have been laughable. 

My other bugbear is them not being prepared to admit it's not working and try something different to win football matches in whatever Division they are in. Top managers are prepared to be a bit more horses for courses, within games and game by game, depending on what they're up against. Evatt went at it from the off so wedded to one way of playing his options to flex and adapt are seriously limited. He's hinted that he can see where some adaptation needs to be made (e.g physical front man to support Doyle), hence me being prepared to give him a bit of time to show he can learn and adapt as a manager. It might be too late for a play off charge this season though. 

For what it's worth, he needs to admit that being harder to get crosses in against, run through the middle at and generally score through, and go with a 4 at back, with two holding players that would be harder to get through and give a platform for the likes of Sarcevic, Thomason, to do what they do best with less responsibility and get closer to Doyle in the right areas, so he doesn't have to keep on coming too deep to try and make things happen. The only time that should be happening is if we have players with real pace and energy to regularly get beyond him into scoring positions.

I hope he gets it right as I want him to do well and am not looking to chop and change again unless things get really uncomfortable near the bottom

 

Totally agree.  Very average teams are turning up and not having to work that hard for the three points. 

The objective at present should be about making us harder to beat.  Then we can build from there.

We have more than enough decent L2 players to do that.

 

  

[Farnywhite]

Just read evett interview may be a change on the way 

 

“I changed shape in the end and longer term I think that’s the way I see it, I was just trying to get us through to this 10-day window where I can get bodies in, “