tomski Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Hardly surprising as half the country was controlled by Russia for 40 years. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 22, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2023 7 hours ago, Spider said: You can’t play by your own rules in the EU, that’s why we voted to leave, remember? The eu changed their own rules to allow deviation when the energy crisis hit. Still arguing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 54 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: The eu changed their own rules to allow deviation when the energy crisis hit. Still arguing now. Thank god for Brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 22, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Thank god for Brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 22, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Thank god for Brexit Yes, those bonuses are overwhelming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Spider said: Yes, those bonuses are overwhelming Hang on, we're not in 2059 yet. Calm down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2023 Looks like Germany have approved leopards to Ukraine. Fuck you Vlad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Looks like Germany have approved leopards to Ukraine. Fuck you Vlad. From Poland ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, tyldesley_white said: From Poland ? Yes, but also saw a comment that the German powers that be have relented too. Yes, they're not objecting to Poland sending them- probably had little choice, given Poland were considering sending them anyhow. It should, hopefully, open the door for more from elsewhere. Edited January 23, 2023 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Yes, but also saw a comment that the German powers that be have relented too. Yes, they're not objecting to Poland sending them- probably had little choice, given Poland were considering sending them anyhow. It should, hopefully, open the door for more from elsewhere. NATO Countries Are Giving Ukraine Hundreds Of Their Old Howitzers—and Replacing Them With South Korea’s Excellent K-9 (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted January 25, 2023 How come Russia have these so called high tech and brilliant tanks, jets, subs and missiles yet they haven't used them? They are relying on Iranian drones and ancient missiles to hit cities whilst they deploy huge numbers of shite artillery to obliterate a small town with little tactical reasoning? They are fucking useless. My guess is behind the scenes diplomats have done their thing and got China and India on board. Hence the arrival of tanks that will turn the tide. Putin has long been told by Xi that nukes are out of the question as long as troops remain out of Russian soil. Putin tried to resolve that with the sham referendums and then lost half the ground anyway within a fortnight. Someone pot the little gobshite ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Winchester White said: How come Russia have these so called high tech and brilliant tanks, jets, subs and missiles yet they haven't used them? They are relying on Iranian drones and ancient missiles to hit cities whilst they deploy huge numbers of shite artillery to obliterate a small town with little tactical reasoning? They are fucking useless. My guess is behind the scenes diplomats have done their thing and got China and India on board. Hence the arrival of tanks that will turn the tide. Putin has long been told by Xi that nukes are out of the question as long as troops remain out of Russian soil. Putin tried to resolve that with the sham referendums and then lost half the ground anyway within a fortnight. Someone pot the little gobshite ffs. bullshit baffles brains! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 26 minutes ago, Winchester White said: How come Russia have these so called high tech and brilliant tanks, jets, subs and missiles yet they haven't used them? They are relying on Iranian drones and ancient missiles to hit cities whilst they deploy huge numbers of shite artillery to obliterate a small town with little tactical reasoning? They are fucking useless. My guess is behind the scenes diplomats have done their thing and got China and India on board. Hence the arrival of tanks that will turn the tide. Putin has long been told by Xi that nukes are out of the question as long as troops remain out of Russian soil. Putin tried to resolve that with the sham referendums and then lost half the ground anyway within a fortnight. Someone pot the little gobshite ffs. Isn't it Wagner who took that salt mine place? Russian army seems fucked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Winchester White said: How come Russia have these so called high tech and brilliant tanks, jets, subs and missiles yet they haven't used them? They are relying on Iranian drones and ancient missiles to hit cities whilst they deploy huge numbers of shite artillery to obliterate a small town with little tactical reasoning? They are fucking useless. My guess is behind the scenes diplomats have done their thing and got China and India on board. Hence the arrival of tanks that will turn the tide. Putin has long been told by Xi that nukes are out of the question as long as troops remain out of Russian soil. Putin tried to resolve that with the sham referendums and then lost half the ground anyway within a fortnight. Someone pot the little gobshite ffs. They have used them and realised their limitations. Also major personnel/leadership problems. Funnily enough, I happened upon an article about the bmpt terminator. Had a video showing one supposedly working with a tank to destroy a ukrainian tank. A pinch of salt job, especially when other articles from ukrainian side say the terminator has suffered significant losses in the conflict and that they've withdrawn them. We don't know the full story for sure, but Russia doesn't have vast numbers of their newest equipment and isn't likely to risk too much of it. It has vast stocks of older equipment though. It is supposedly struggling to get parts etc to make/maintain some of it's newer stuff which is also expensive. Hence relying on stuff from elsewhere. Including Iran. Which is also worthy of consideration when the US/Israel are conducting exercises supposedly with the aim of preparing for a war with Iran. Just in case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, DirtySanchez said: Isn't it Wagner who took that salt mine place? Russian army seems fucked Wagner is a huge set of horrible ruthless cunts who are miles better equipped than their own army. Why? Because the funds sent to them actually buy what they are supposed to do. No Russian generals to sphyon off what little they provided anyway. Plus they have been in favour for a long time so get more. Wagner enjoy their barbarism but have never faced any foe like Ukraine, never mind a Ukraine now equipped with decent kit. Wagner really wanted the salt mines purely for boasting rights. It really doesn't have any strategic advantage. I am now convinced most Russians are still locked in an early 20th century mindset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: They have used them and realised their limitations. Also major personnel/leadership problems. Funnily enough, I happened upon an article about the bmpt terminator. Had a video showing one supposedly working with a tank to destroy a ukrainian tank. A pinch of salt job, especially when other articles from ukrainian side say the terminator has suffered significant losses in the conflict and that they've withdrawn them. We don't know the full story for sure, but Russia doesn't have vast numbers of their newest equipment and isn't likely to risk too much of it. It has vast stocks of older equipment though. It is supposedly struggling to get parts etc to make/maintain some of it's newer stuff which is also expensive. Hence relying on stuff from elsewhere. Including Iran. Which is also worthy of consideration when the US/Israel are conducting exercises supposedly with the aim of preparing for a war with Iran. Just in case... About the T-14 Russian Soldiers Rejecting T-14 Armata Battle Tanks Over Quality—MOD (msn.com) Edited January 25, 2023 by tyldesley_white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 The key now seems to be making sure the Ukrainians are trained to use these tanks before the inevitable spring offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 25, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted January 25, 2023 Interesting read... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Anybody else think they should keep it quiet? Imagine the look on the Russians faces when they’re expecting to be faced with 50 year old tanks then a unit of Abraham’s and leopard tanks come over the horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, royal white said: Anybody else think they should keep it quiet? Imagine the look on the Russians faces when they’re expecting to be faced with 50 year old tanks then a unit of Abraham’s and leopard tanks come over the horizon. You’re the expert, but announcing should get them rethinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, globaldiver said: You’re the expert, but announcing should get them rethinking? I’m no expert in moving tanks 😂 the element of surprise is a great weapon to have though! I’m not sure of the thought process of the Russians, whatever it is it’s surely clouded after a bottle of vodka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Winchester White said: Interesting read... It was clear as day from the start. Same as their division tactics this side of the pond. "I remember a certain frivolity from 2016. Trump was a curiosity. Russia was irrelevant. Nothing to take seriously. Then Trump was elected, blocked weapon sales to Ukraine, and tried to stage a coup. Now Ukrainians are dying every day in the defining conflict of our time. 19/20" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, gonzo said: It was clear as day from the start. Same as their division tactics this side of the pond. "I remember a certain frivolity from 2016. Trump was a curiosity. Russia was irrelevant. Nothing to take seriously. Then Trump was elected, blocked weapon sales to Ukraine, and tried to stage a coup. Now Ukrainians are dying every day in the defining conflict of our time. 19/20" It is shocking how negligent the UK and US have been with respect to Russian cyber attacks and election interference. We just did not realise the extent of what was happening until it was too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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