kent_white Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Whitestar said: I'm no military expert and have no interest in politics but the 1st thing that crossed my mind when Rishi Sunak announced the election was that he knew some serious sh*t was going to go down with Russia and he wanted no part in it or was too scared of what was going to happen. Hopefully I'm totally wrong but seems like something is brewing now. I think it's more likely that he couldn't risk the Rwanda plan being an unmitigated disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 A mate out of our local has a daughter who was going out with a lad from York who had joined the Ukranian defence Forces last year, they found out on Sunday he has been killed in the Ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 34 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said: A mate out of our local has a daughter who was going out with a lad from York who had joined the Ukranian defence Forces last year, they found out on Sunday he has been killed in the Ukraine That's pretty grim 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, kent_white said: That's pretty grim 😬 it is, both families are devastated, he knew the risks and paid the ultimate price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 5 hours ago, Whitestar said: I'm no military expert and have no interest in politics but the 1st thing that crossed my mind when Rishi Sunak announced the election was that he knew some serious sh*t was going to go down with Russia and he wanted no part in it or was too scared of what was going to happen. Hopefully I'm totally wrong but seems like something is brewing now. I highly doubt that would be the case, or what the serious shit could be over and above what we're currently mired in. We're not about to get nuked at any rate. I read this today, really interesting article about the state of the UK armed forces currently and as clear an indication as any that we need NATO as much as NATO needs us. Some of those capabilities that are just one loss away from (literally in some cases) sinking us are quite eye opening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 31 minutes ago, Marc505 said: I highly doubt that would be the case, or what the serious shit could be over and above what we're currently mired in. We're not about to get nuked at any rate. I read this today, really interesting article about the state of the UK armed forces currently and as clear an indication as any that we need NATO as much as NATO needs us. Some of those capabilities that are just one loss away from (literally in some cases) sinking us are quite eye opening We're a long way behind where we need to be and I'm amazed this wasn't more of an issue during the election. The new Government have ordered a strategic defence review already haven't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 If we are so ill prepared it might be an idea to stop poking our oily beaks in to other folks business? Just a thought like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 34 minutes ago, kent_white said: We're a long way behind where we need to be and I'm amazed this wasn't more of an issue during the election. The new Government have ordered a strategic defence review already haven't they? Yeah I think this series of reports from RUSI is like a preface to that review. Seems pretty obvious to me from that that it'll be impossible to address all the issues, we're just going to have to concentrate on certain elements and rely on other nations to plug the gaps - which we will do in turn for other NATO members with some of our capabilities. I'm surprised it wasn't an issue either especially when we're so financially/materially committed in Ukraine. I wonder if it just wasn't considered to be a contested enough battleground (so to speak) to put any time or effort into debating when the general consensus is that we still need to offer support to Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, athywhite1958 said: A mate out of our local has a daughter who was going out with a lad from York who had joined the Ukranian defence Forces last year, they found out on Sunday he has been killed in the Ukraine R.I.P and upmost respect to him. We should always have had troops there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted July 9 Site Supporter Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: R.I.P and upmost respect to him. We should always have had troops there. Nah Weapons is all we should be providing. We have precious few soldiers as it is. If someone wants to go there for personal reasons, fair play but it's their call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Popular Post Winchester White Posted July 9 Site Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, gonzo said: If we are so ill prepared it might be an idea to stop poking our oily beaks in to other folks business? Just a thought like We aren't poking our oily beaks in anything. Just giving an Ally some kit they need after being invaded by a cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 9 Site Supporter Share Posted July 9 I suppose we should have kept our oily beak out of Germany v Poland in 1939? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 9 Moderators Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, athywhite1958 said: A mate out of our local has a daughter who was going out with a lad from York who had joined the Ukranian defence Forces last year, they found out on Sunday he has been killed in the Ukraine daft bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 3 hours ago, Spider said: Nah Weapons is all we should be providing. We have precious few soldiers as it is. If someone wants to go there for personal reasons, fair play but it's their call. Your centrist pal Macron disagrees. I often think with my heart though. Which is why I'm shite at betting and would make a terrible leader. Though I'm getting more rational with each passing year 😁 Either way, we need to do more. Any land in Ukraine is a win for Putin and it is looking likely that he will be allowed that win. Which is a huge worry for the other neighbouring countries. Edited July 9 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 4 hours ago, Spider said: Nah Weapons is all we should be providing. We have precious few soldiers as it is. If someone wants to go there for personal reasons, fair play but it's their call. Providing weaponry is just prolonging the destruction and slaughter. This thing needs an outcome, either support is withdrawn and Ukraine becomes a Russian puppet state or NATO/EU put boots on the ground an give Putin a bloody nose. Edited July 9 by Dimron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, Winchester White said: We aren't poking our oily beaks in anything. Just giving an Ally some kit they need after being invaded by a cunt. I support this all the way. Just playing devil's advocate. If our self defence is as hollow as some are making out, can we afford the amount of support we give? I'd give em our last bullet like but I get the concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeane Koontz Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 6 minutes ago, gonzo said: I support this all the way. Just playing devil's advocate. If our self defence is as hollow as some are making out, can we afford the amount of support we give? I'd give em our last bullet like but I get the concerns. You're listening to too much retard radio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, deeane Koontz said: You're listening to too much retard radio Yes my mind keeps getting blown by right wing sensationalists. #thegabfather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 To be fair - and I don't know how he'll do at the rest of the summit. But Biden did very well in that NATO speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 7 hours ago, kent_white said: To be fair - and I don't know how he'll do at the rest of the summit. But Biden did very well in that NATO speech. Too think people called him when he was the first black womanly to serve under Obama 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 17 Site Supporter Share Posted July 17 Lots of articles about all this, but this one offers some insight into the possible future outcome. https://www.forces.net/ukraine/russia-cannot-win-conflict-ukraine-former-seal-team-six-commander-insists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 25 Moderators Share Posted July 25 Interesting read Ukraine thrown into war's bleak future as drones open new battlefront https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vl9gy2wo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 26 Site Supporter Share Posted July 26 watch to near the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 26 Site Supporter Share Posted July 26 12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: watch to near the end. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 They're heeeeeere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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