Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, frank_spencer said:

North Korean troops after a week.

That cursor has me scratching at my screen like a cat

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, frank_spencer said:

North Korean troops after a week.

I love the idea that world war 3 might be averted because of Pornhub 🤣

[Spider]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I love the idea that world war 3 might be averted because of Pornhub 🤣

Riley Reid winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

Then shoving it up her chimney and squirting all over the stage

[frank_spencer]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I love the idea that world war 3 might be averted because of Pornhub 🤣

The Koreans have wanked themselves into submission.

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

That cursor has me scratching at my screen like a cat

Only spotted it when you said that

[Farrelli]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/russian-navy-warship-carrying-hypersonic-missiles-conducts-drills-in-english-channel-state-media-says-13252935
 

For those who think Putin won’t threaten the UK or NATO.  This is intimidation only but the message is clear, we don’t fear you.

[Ani]

No fan of Trump, but do people think him being in charge makes a settlement in Ukraine more or less likely ? 
 

[kent_white]

15 minutes ago, Ani said:

No fan of Trump, but do people think him being in charge makes a settlement in Ukraine more or less likely ? 
 

I think a settlement of some description is more likely. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

More likely

His VP is very much of the persuasion the US shouldn't be using taxpayer's money to fund the Ukrainian war effort and Trump's proposed selections for both Secretary of State and National Security Advisor are also against continuing funding 

They are much more wary of the threat China pose and see the Russian invasion as a distraction they don't need

[Traf]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

No fan of Trump, but do people think him being in charge makes a settlement in Ukraine more or less likely ? 
 

More

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I think a settlement of some description is more likely. 

But unfavourable.

[frank_spencer]

Settlement or appeasement? Guess we'll find out 

[itdiddidit?]

The war is going nowhere fast other than losing more lives and I think the noises coming out from Trump and which will transfer to our policy no doubt, will be little appetite to continue with it. Think if Russia gets the Kursk region back and with what they've got they may be content to call it quits. 

If it tips owt like Bosnia when I was there as the conflict had just ended, the western countries will be looking at the pots of cash that a peace deal will bring. There'll be some massive contracts handed out rebuilding, demining and also the continued training and arming of their military. In Bos most of the towns you went through there was a sign saying being rebuilt with the help of  the people of Norway/Germany etc. and we should be forerunners for a few of those with what we've contributed. 

10 years time Traf will be doing package holidays to Odessa and it'll all be history.

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

More

But unfavourable.

Most likely Russia will keep what they've got and Trump will agree to veto any plans for Ukraine to join NATO. 

That's the state of play from my armchair anyway! 😁

[Winchester White]

6 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Most likely Russia will keep what they've got and Trump will agree to veto any plans for Ukraine to join NATO. 

That's the state of play from my armchair anyway! 😁

I think that is likely which is pretty shit for those living in Mariupol or Melitopol, etc.

It will cost billions to rebuild Ukraine and those in the Russian occupied side of the divide will be left to rot.

[Sweep]

32 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I think that is likely which is pretty shit for those living in Mariupol or Melitopol, etc.

It will cost billions to rebuild Ukraine and those in the Russian occupied side of the divide will be left to rot.

Sadly, thems the breaks. Let's not pretend anybody in the UK will really give much of a toss in another 12-18 months, it'll all be forgotten about

[Farrelli]

Continued treatment of Russia as a pariah with more sanctions and full support for Ukraine. Anything else is appeasement which is what Putin banked on at the start of this. 

[boltonboris]

On 12/11/2024 at 13:59, Ani said:

No fan of Trump, but do people think him being in charge makes a settlement in Ukraine more or less likely ? 
 

Considering he took Russian money un his previous campaign and JD Vance talks about Ukraine giving Russia what they want, I'm not sure it's going to make a settlement more likely and will empower Russia further. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile and surely Ukraine won't give up sovereign territory because Trump asked them to...

Edited November 14 by boltonboris

[tomski]

One way to be unpopular at home is to concede to commies though. I suspect the bravado will be as real as his wall.

[Ani]

4 hours ago, tomski said:

One way to be unpopular at home is to concede to commies though. I suspect the bravado will be as real as his wall.

He will simply say the $bns they are committing to spend will instead be spent home. That is what his voters will be happy with. Realistically how long can we keep sending £bns to Ukraine ? 
 

If he tells Putin to pull back to pre war borders and he agrees what happens ? Ukraine might want Crimea too but can not see that happening. Putin at some point needs to save face , everyone thought this would be over in days and weeks. 

[tyldesley_white]

On 14/11/2024 at 09:34, Ani said:

He will simply say the $bns they are committing to spend will instead be spent home. That is what his voters will be happy with. Realistically how long can we keep sending £bns to Ukraine ? 
 

If he tells Putin to pull back to pre war borders and he agrees what happens ? Ukraine might want Crimea too but can not see that happening. Putin at some point needs to save face , everyone thought this would be over in days and weeks. 

The billions they spend are already spent at home, you do you think manufactures all those munitions', American workers in American factories. also goes for tanks planes and guns, the money does not go to Ukraine weapons' of war go to Ukraine

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, tyldesley_white said:

The billions they spend are already spent at home, you do you think manufactures all those munitions', American workers in American factories. also goes for tanks planes and guns, the money does not go to Ukraine weapons' of war go to Ukraine

Are they donated though?

Or are they "sold"- with Ukraine paying back at some later date?

[kent_white]

From the BBC website following Trump's call with Scholz. Perhaps there's hope yet?

"German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who spoke with Trump following the US election, told German media that the incoming US leader had a "more nuanced" position on the war than was commonly assumed"

[tyldesley_white]

6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Are they donated though?

Or are they "sold"- with Ukraine paying back at some later date?

Thats what foreign aid is all about

[Tonge moor green jacket]

On 16/11/2024 at 15:56, tyldesley_white said:

Thats what foreign aid is all about

In which case, the money may be spent at home, but with no goods to show for it. 

Therefore a large cost to their economy, which is one of the pillars of Trump's philosophy.

I think he's wrong, but he's entitled to his beliefs.

Biden has just announced a lifting of the ban on Ukraine using long range US missiles to hit deeper into Russia.

A major shift, no doubt with Trump in mind.

I hope they use them well.

[Winchester White]

Good. Fuck Putin the cunt.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Aye.

Not before time.

Of course you can understand the wariness of escalating the war, but equally a victorious, belligerent Russia, backed by NK, Iran etc is a danger to the US as well as Europe.