Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Zico]

so close to that peace prize

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

I never expected anything to happen in Moscow...

Original US plan... stop fighting and you can have the Donbas... Putin says "yes"

Revised US/EU Plan... stop fighting but you can't have the Donbas... Putin says "no"

"NATO now has to stay strong and united"... One third of members still haven't chipped into PURL including the UK and Italy today has again refused, citing Kiev corruption and a desire for restoring relations with Russia. Do we now sanction Italy?

Nice try.

The uk hasn't yet publicly announced what it is doing re PURL.

We have nevertheless contributed massively with our own equipment, as have others.

PURL involves procurement of US products, at an inflated price, so nations may choose to go a different route.

Of course European nations could do more, but as usual you seek to paint a dim picture of everyone apart from Russia.

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

And this is how it will continue for many years. Fuck knows why Trump was stupid to suggest he could fix it within 24 hours of taking office, it won't be fixed for his entire term as President, as it's currently pretty much unfixable, until Russia either run out of money, or get bored and go home (which I don't see happening anytime soon) 

He was guilty of the usual American disconnection... they do not understand other cultures and history, the US only got going in 1775. Russia and the US are not at war by the way.

No one knows what the actual economies of the various states are... I do know ours ain't doing that well... in the end the desire of the US, Russia and China to trade will decide the outcome. I suppose it's about who folds first.

The US delegate was not in the Nato conference today. Belgium is twitching about the frozen Russian assets, they are one of the lowest contributors to Nato... Trump might turn his back on Nato and just get on with his agenda.

The EU, now containing many previous USSR states, are positioning themselves alongside a non Nato and non EU country... I'm sorry but it's not my war... I don't think I have any Hungarian or Italian blood.

 

[gonzo]

6 minutes ago, Dimron said:

He was guilty of the usual American disconnection... they do not understand other cultures and history, the US only got going in 1775. Russia and the US are not at war by the way.

No one knows what the actual economies of the various states are... I do know ours ain't doing that well... in the end the desire of the US, Russia and China to trade will decide the outcome. I suppose it's about who folds first.

The US delegate was not in the Nato conference today. Belgium is twitching about the frozen Russian assets, they are one of the lowest contributors to Nato... Trump might turn his back on Nato and just get on with his agenda.

The EU, now containing many previous USSR states, are positioning themselves alongside a non Nato and non EU country... I'm sorry but it's not my war... I don't think I have any Hungarian or Italian blood.

 

Whether it's your war or not depends on Russias future actions if they are just allowed to wade in to their nearest country and take it over.

[Dimron]

17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Nice try.

The uk hasn't yet publicly announced what it is doing re PURL.

We have nevertheless contributed massively with our own equipment, as have others.

PURL involves procurement of US products, at an inflated price, so nations may choose to go a different route.

Of course European nations could do more, but as usual you seek to paint a dim picture of everyone apart from Russia.

Let's turn this into a thought experiment...

The conflict has to end,  full stop.

if you were to lead a Wanderers Ways peace delegation, and flew across to Moscow how would you approach Putin?

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Dimron said:

Let's turn this into a thought experiment...

The conflict has to end,  full stop.

if you were to lead a Wanderers Ways peace delegation, and flew across to Moscow how would you approach Putin?

Tell him to withdraw. All sanctions lifted, back in business.

what would you do?

[Dimron]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Whether it's your war or not depends on Russias future actions if they are just allowed to wade in to their nearest country and take it over.

Following that strategy will just prolong the war.

After 4 years it is where it is

[gonzo]

5 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Let's turn this into a thought experiment...

The conflict has to end,  full stop.

if you were to lead a Wanderers Ways peace delegation, and flew across to Moscow how would you approach Putin?

What would do you?

[Dimron]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

Tell him to withdraw. All sanctions lifted, back in business.

what would you do?

I want to hear TMGJ's reply first... he seems quite veherment and set in his ways.

My first line to Putin would be something like "Ow do Vlad, Ows it hanging? and go from there

[Spider]

9 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I want to hear TMGJ's reply first... he seems quite veherment and set in his ways.

My first line to Putin would be something like "Ow do Vlad, Ows it hanging? and go from there

You’re already doing a better job than Trump then.

[Dimron]

36 minutes ago, Spider said:

You’re already doing a better job than Trump then.

I'd get his attention after talking about footie and putting the bins out... "like that painting on the wall pal, is it a Kandinsky?" It'd be a shame to see it vaporised and so on... wanna buy some pharma? I have a loony twiter mate who can help with your Sputniks

[Spider]

28 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I'd get his attention after talking about footie and putting the bins out... "like that painting on the wall pal, is it a Kandinsky?" It'd be a shame to see it vaporised and so on... wanna buy some pharma? I have a loony twiter mate who can help with your Sputniks

Appeasement seems like a good strategy until you realise you’re dealing with a deranged Cossack cunt 

[SatanGreavsie]

10 hours ago, Spider said:

Appeasement seems like a good strategy until you realise you’re dealing with a deranged Cossack cunt 

[Sweep]

16 hours ago, Dimron said:

Let's turn this into a thought experiment...

The conflict has to end,  full stop.

if you were to lead a Wanderers Ways peace delegation, and flew across to Moscow how would you approach Putin?

Vlad, stop cocking about, neither you nor the EU/NATO can really afford to keep going, and you're making a right mess in Ukraine as well. So, how's this for a proposal  -  clearly you'd like to get "the band back together" and let's be honest, we'd love a load of your oil and gas.

How's this for a proposal, we'll stand back and let you roll your tanks into shitholes like Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Czech, because we're not really that fussed about them. In return, you give us access to loads of cheap gas/oil, and we evenly split the rare earth minerals. We then ensure that the new "iron curtain" stays in place, and if there's any sort of uprising within those nations, we'll help you quell it.

No, sorry, Poland isn't part of the deal, as their workers are pretty decent, so no dice on them.

It's a deal? Great News, now, can you fix it for me to have a go on Maria Sharapova please?

[Zico]

22 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Vlad, stop cocking about, neither you nor the EU/NATO can really afford to keep going, and you're making a right mess in Ukraine as well. So, how's this for a proposal  -  clearly you'd like to get "the band back together" and let's be honest, we'd love a load of your oil and gas.

How's this for a proposal, we'll stand back and let you roll your tanks into shitholes like Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Czech, because we're not really that fussed about them. In return, you give us access to loads of cheap gas/oil, and we evenly split the rare earth minerals. We then ensure that the new "iron curtain" stays in place, and if there's any sort of uprising within those nations, we'll help you quell it.

No, sorry, Poland isn't part of the deal, as their workers are pretty decent, so no dice on them.

It's a deal? Great News, now, can you fix it for me to have a go on Maria Sharapova please?

Anna Kournikova or the deal is off

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Why would anyone bother going to Moscow at the moment?

The only ones so far are those few Americans. 

Apart from Rubio, the rest are bell ends and numpties. 

Meaningless drivel.

He has no intention of stopping, so NATO/EU have to ensure Ukraine gets what it needs, until Russia can no longer afford it.

That isn't that far off.

By then he may have been deposed/overthrown. Russians in general aren't happy. 

 

[Not in Crawley]

35 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why would anyone bother going to Moscow at the moment?

The only ones so far are those few Americans. 

Apart from Rubio, the rest are bell ends and numpties. 

Meaningless drivel.

He has no intention of stopping, so NATO/EU have to ensure Ukraine gets what it needs, until Russia can no longer afford it.

That isn't that far off.

By then he may have been deposed/overthrown. Russians in general aren't happy. 

 

Russians in general aren't happy. 

Hmmm, not sure thats a great reading of the situation. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

It isn't a reading of the situation in terms of making an assessment. 

It is factual reports and anecdotes from Russians themselves. 

High inflation and interest rates. Mortgages unaffordable, and loans being turned down.

Increased taxation.

Fuel limited and expensive. 

Money not always being paid to soldiers-or bereaved parents.

Companies being told to take on debt.

Gold reserves being sold off.

Banks and businesses up shit creek.

And seemingly an increase in partisan attacks inside Russia, in addition to Ukraine strikes.

List goes on.

 

 

[Spider]

Putin just needs to hold out long enough for Farage to win the election then he’ll finally have a wealthy ally in Europe.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Putin just needs to hold out long enough for Farage to win the election then he’ll finally have a wealthy ally in Europe.

 

Dream on.

[Dimron]

11 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It isn't a reading of the situation in terms of making an assessment. 

It is factual reports and anecdotes from Russians themselves. 

High inflation and interest rates. Mortgages unaffordable, and loans being turned down.

Increased taxation.

Fuel limited and expensive. 

Money not always being paid to soldiers-or bereaved parents.

Companies being told to take on debt.

Gold reserves being sold off.

Banks and businesses up shit creek.

And seemingly an increase in partisan attacks inside Russia, in addition to Ukraine strikes.

List goes on.

 

 

Are you Ukrainian by any chance?

[Spider]

22 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Dream on.

Sorry, you’re correct.

He already has Farage as an ally, doesn’t need to wait.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

No he doesn't.

Farage has a different take on NATO expansion and it's "effect" on Putin, which I think is utter bollocks, but that is a far cry from being an ally.

Obviously, you generally don't bother about accuracy etc when making comments about politicians etc, and that is your choice. 

Nevertheless, it doesn't make you right in any way shape or form.

For what it's worth, depending upon how long the war goes on, it could become a big issue for Reform as any election approaches, because the view that NATO expansion has rubbed up Putin is completely without foundation, and is bullshit justification for the war by Putin.

It doesn't stand up to scrutiny, and may cost Farage dear if he doesn't clarify Reform's stance. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

On 04/12/2025 at 20:14, Dimron said:

Are you Ukrainian by any chance?

No, Vladimir, I'm not.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

No he doesn't.

Farage has a different take on NATO expansion and it's "effect" on Putin, which I think is utter bollocks, but that is a far cry from being an ally.

Obviously, you generally don't bother about accuracy etc when making comments about politicians etc, and that is your choice. 

Nevertheless, it doesn't make you right in any way shape or form.

For what it's worth, depending upon how long the war goes on, it could become a big issue for Reform as any election approaches, because the view that NATO expansion has rubbed up Putin is completely without foundation, and is bullshit justification for the war by Putin.

It doesn't stand up to scrutiny, and may cost Farage dear if he doesn't clarify Reform's stance. 

It's going to be very funny watching you backtrack on all this over the next couple of years as you realign your views to match those of Reform.