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4 hours ago, kent_white said:

I'm saying that from a nursing perspective if somebody is able to talk then it's clear sign that their airway isn't blocked.

Having said that - it's still not a great idea to kneel on someone's neck for 8 minutes.

The key for me is whether that restraint is what the Police in the US are taught to do and if so whether he applied it correctly - or whether he just decided to do it himself.

If it's the latter then this cop is knackered no matter what GF had in his system. If it's the former then I reckon it's reasonable to question whether the levels of fentanyl in his system could have contributed to a respiratory arrest.

I just hope that they can get to the truth - however unpalatable they might find that truth to be. 

 

This.

A genuine trial, based on evidence and assessment of the facts. Presumably a beyond reasonable doubt level needs to be reached.

The rest of it all is unhelpful.

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Who gives a fcuk. 

What would you personally do with a huge guy who is foaming at the mouth ?     I actually wouldn't go anywhere near him, was bad enough seeing Ani foaming at the gob once before he alle

Let’s hope it sets a precedent for all deaths in police custody to be properly investigated now and people to face justice. 

2 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Fuck all interest in a junky gangster, you stick to your virtue signalling.

If he was white and the coppers black and/or Muslim, you'd be carpet bombing tweets left, right and centre.

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1 hour ago, DazBob said:

If he was white and the coppers black and/or Muslim, you'd be carpet bombing tweets left, right and centre.

Really ? Check my acct clever clogs. 

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5 minutes ago, DazBob said:

You blocked me, remember? :)

Yes. Ask your mates who aren't blocked to verify 95% of my posts are re the Armed Forces, then the rest re the Afghan interpreters though of that is being done via private messages now. 

I'll set you a challenge on here, look if you can to see where I've defended white folk being murdered off the police. I think you'll struggle, as trash is trash in my eyes, full stop.

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5 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Fuck all interest in a junky gangster, you stick to your virtue signalling.

"The action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue."

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1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

"The action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue."

Utter bollocks as well you know🙂 

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No one should give a fuck about this guys past, the police didn’t know his past so the fact remains a police office sworn to protect and serve leant on his neck for 8minutes and 42 seconds.

It isn’t white cop kills black guy

Its a trial of murder. The other stuff can come later 

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29 minutes ago, Rudy said:

No one should give a fuck about this guys past, the police didn’t know his past so the fact remains a police office sworn to protect and serve leant on his neck for 8minutes and 42 seconds.

It isn’t white cop kills black guy

Its a trial of murder. The other stuff can come later 

In in no way defending it and am not following the trial or owt but did it not come out the copper and Floyd had previous? 

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11 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

In in no way defending it and am not following the trial or owt but did it not come out the copper and Floyd had previous? 

Now that you mention it yeah I think something to do with them being bouncers or something but couldn’t find many facts about it 

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13 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

In in no way defending it and am not following the trial or owt but did it not come out the copper and Floyd had previous? 

No.  They had worked at the same place but never on the same shift apparently.

Rudy ^ nails it.  Imagine feeling the life drain out of you while your lay down and not resisting.  Knowing that if you struggle to breathe you'll be seen as resisting and get shot dead anyway.  I wonder how often this kind of thing happened in the past but because it wasnt filmed was just written off by the Police as accidental?

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9 hours ago, kent_white said:

I'm saying that from a nursing perspective if somebody is able to talk then it's clear sign that their airway isn't blocked.

I think we discussed this early in this thread. Kneeling on the carotid artery’, however...

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48 minutes ago, MickyD said:

I think we discussed this early in this thread. Kneeling on the carotid artery’, however...

You'd need to obstruct both carotid arteries though. Not sure whether you can easily do that by kneeling on someone's neck?

I suppose it's conceivable - but it wouldn't be easy. Even if you were trying. 

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Perhaps the death was down to having a cop on your chest as much as a knee on your neck. If your chest can't rise you can't breathe. 

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I don't think this can be a murder as the defendant did not set out to intentionally kill the man.

But when the opportunity to kill presented itself in the red mist of the moment the defendant might have taken it, therefore is this manslaughter?

Is there a half way house between murder and manslaughter?

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59 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Perhaps the death was down to having a cop on your chest as much as a knee on your neck. If your chest can't rise you can't breathe. 

Still can't see it. Your ribs can take a hell of a lot of weight before you're crushed to the extent that you can't breath. Certainly more than one man kneeling on you. And we all usually breathe without our chests rising and falling. It's your diaphragm that goes up and down mainly.

Anyway - I'm sure the truth will out. I've no axe to grind with this by the way. It's just always stuck me as implausible that he died solely as a direct consequence on the copper kneeling on him. I expect there was something catastrophic happening physiologically. 

Either way that copper and his colleagues  were a set of pricks for not checking on him once he'd stopped moving. 

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44 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I don't think this can be a murder as the defendant did not set out to intentionally kill the man.

But when the opportunity to kill presented itself in the red mist of the moment the defendant might have taken it, therefore is this manslaughter?

Is there a half way house between murder and manslaughter?

Second degree murder  

Comes down to intent  

Didn't mean to kill them but meant to hurt them 

So the question is what did he expect to happen when you kneel on someone's neck with all your weight for 9 minutes

There were 4 cops 

Dunno why they couldn't just point guns at him whilst one cuffs him and bundle him into the back of the car, if they wanted to arrest him

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13 hours ago, Zico said:

Second degree murder  

Comes down to intent  

Didn't mean to kill them but meant to hurt them 

So the question is what did he expect to happen when you kneel on someone's neck with all your weight for 9 minutes

There were 4 cops 

Dunno why they couldn't just point guns at him whilst one cuffs him and bundle him into the back of the car, if they wanted to arrest him

He was already cuffed  and also remember they had him in the police car, and then took him out why?   to teach him a lesson ?, he was not having a medical issue in the car. That is where per-mediation could come in, the cops had all ready done their job, next they should have transported him too lock up and let them charge and deal let them deal with it.

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2 hours ago, tyldesley_white said:

He was already cuffed  and also remember they had him in the police car, and then took him out why?   to teach him a lesson ?, he was not having a medical issue in the car. That is where per-mediation could come in, the cops had all ready done their job, next they should have transported him too lock up and let them charge and deal let them deal with it.

wasn't aware of that, be interesting the see what the thinking behind that was

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